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you're locked into inception radio

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network superior Wisconsin you're locked

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into inception radio network superior

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Wisconsin aliens to ghosts demons a

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dream from shadow people to the Outlands

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welcome welcome everybody to my awesome

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friday evening you're listening to me

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heidi hollis the Outlander I am

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multitasking here I'm trying to put a

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post on Facebook right now to everybody

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come join me now okay all right hold on

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did I get it all right yep posted okay

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so yes so welcome to the show everybody

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you're probably just like scratching you

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hit like there's a choke on here and

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she's like doing something and I don't

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know exactly what she's doing but it's

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okay this is all normal this is this is

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how I roll um so I guess I should tell

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you guys what this program is about this

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show is about bringing outlandish topics

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to the forefront I don't care what it is

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angels go steam and Tony Connors shadow

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people Bigfoot to the outlandish oh I

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say if it's weird we're here and so are

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you so you're among friends it's all

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good i'm still multitasking so don't

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mind me gosh there's like fruit flies

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around here what the heck's going on

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it's no fruit out just seems to be like

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those seasons where fruit flies will

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suddenly just be born and just like all

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sudden disappear I don't understand

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where they're coming from um so yeah so

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to tell you just a little bit more about

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myself when it comes to the outlandish I

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feel and I think I'm someone who has

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been there seen that experienced it

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freaked out found some answers wrote

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about it got over it and now I'm hoping

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to help others do the same thing and

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understand this world of various levels

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vibrations dimensions I don't know I

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don't know people say that there's

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different dimensions i think i've seen

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some so there if you dare go to my main

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website which is heidi hollis calm and i

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also want to invite you to check out the

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other F word calm mm-hmm go there and I

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am doing something I'm trying to pull

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together some forces to bring forth a

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book and project on the other F word

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what is the other F word hmm how do you

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combat darkness but with

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little white so faith you know whatever

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it is that you're passionate about when

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it comes to the positive side I mean if

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you see something the likes of the devil

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looking at you you better hope that

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there's a lighter side you know I'm fine

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so that is what I'm rooting for in

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trying to put together this other

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project because for some reason these

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publishers think right because I'm not a

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pastor or priest I shouldn't be talking

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about faith like I have no place talking

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about faith well I'm going to talk about

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faith because I can and so can you so

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let's all do it I mean what a thought so

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I encourage you and invite you please go

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there the other F word calm trying to

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raise funds to get this project forward

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for another book on the topic I have one

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for kids mostly adults have been

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responding back which is cool so that

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means hey it's for everybody okay so you

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go to the other F word calm and you will

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find information on that book which is

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already out as well because I felt it

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was important to do that I'm still

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multitasking to do that as well goodness

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there's been a lot of people joining my

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groups on Facebook which is cool

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everybody go to paranormal pledge com by

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the way and click on over there and join

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my group to get people to pledge to

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start speaking about the paranormal and

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sharing with at least one other person

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their paranormal experiences and also if

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you go on facebook and you type in

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shadow people and hat man experiencers

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group yes it's a big old work it's not

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the first shadow people group that pops

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up because I know there's somebody out

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there kind of how do you say it was that

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a poser or something that's money is

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like grabs everybody that's looking for

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you yeah I don't know what that's called

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but yes I get that but yeah no that

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one's not mine but mine is shadow people

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and hat man experiencers group got it

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okay yeah that's that's me so um I am

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going to do what I love to do the most i

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want to invite you guys first get the IR

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a nap and also feel free to

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all into the show because I welcome

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everybody to call it to the show you

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know I just did coast to coast last

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Friday yeah last Friday and I was

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seeking those who have experienced such

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things as night terrors what is night

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terrors sleep paralysis sleepwalking

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nightmares feeling somebody is watching

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you or experiencing somebody is watching

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you or something when you wake up so all

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those things are considered night

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terrors and holy cannoli have I been

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flooded with that I mean I cover a lot

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of different things so shadow people hat

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man Jesus encounters angels anything and

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everything I was ordinary so I invite

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people to still continue to write to me

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about those topics as well but as far as

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night terrors are concerned I am trying

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to pull together a new TV show project

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I'm helping out with a new TV show

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project a potential one trying to bring

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some light and attention to the topic of

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night terrors what could be behind it

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and no it does not mean that a person

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has mental illness if you experience

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night terrors how what a thought about

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that but there are those who think it's

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something scientific or emotional and

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all that stuff and I am of course on the

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side of the paranormal so I think that

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we're pretty spiritual beings and I

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think there's energies out there that

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can mess with that and of course get you

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when your guard is down that's always

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the best time right that's when

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predators lurk the better the most so I

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welcome you write me to dust outlander

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at gmail com das out lander at gmail com

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and I will do my best to I always get to

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the emails eventually so feel free to

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write me and if you wish I will forward

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your email and information on to those

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do in the TV show project and nothing

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can be shown or aired without your

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exclusive written permission so don't

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feel because you're probably talking to

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somebody that will contact you in

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regards to your night terrors that oh my

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gosh I've been exposed don't feel that

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way so okay getting to my favorite

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favorite favorite favorite favorite

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ah the outlandish corner I have no

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special effects so I'm gonna go over to

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that lynch corner and I'm having some

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let's hope it does not crash in the

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middle am I reading these emails off oh

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let me do this here mmm do to 22 okay

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all right I've just got to pull this up

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you know I'm just so prepared this

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evening yeah okay dear Heidi hello I

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just discovered your website well

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alright I like to share a story with you

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I usually do not write to strangers like

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this I am the stranger oh boy my

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daughter had an experience with a hat

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man but since she had just returned from

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Amish country Pennsylvania and brought

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home a handmade doll okay that gives me

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the creeps already we assumed it was

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that so you assumed the hat made was the

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homemade doll okay I've always been firm

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when it comes to any entity visiting my

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space in my experience they are usually

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curious and or protecting their own in

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this instance it didn't leave until I

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put the Amish doll outside and set my

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protective prayers for my daughter's

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benefit I use salt and a smudge stick

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pretty sure it was with the doll to this

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day she doesn't like it but it left and

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has it returned PS my protective prayers

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involved the wolf spirit and God's light

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the wolf spirit because of the joy we

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had with one of them joining our family

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and my lifelong sense that I am part of

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the wolf world God's light is all white

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and blinding my faith in that light has

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been developing for many many years

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Carolyn and Alaska well hello Carolyn

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Alaska hello how's it going um wow I can

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say that I have never heard of a wolf

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spirit or something to stand behind I

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that's different that's that's news to

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me let's put that way

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it's like oh yeah I've heard about that

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that's uh that's that's pretty well

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known um I don't know if this is a

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native belief if your native up there in

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Alaska don't know but it sounds kind of

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native ish to me um if it's positive

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this handmade doll from Amish country

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aren't those people kind of religious

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why I don't know why would happen

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attached himself to a doll from probably

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the most anally I mean the most

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religious people on the planet I was

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gonna say anally religious but you know

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what I'm saying very strict religious

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people okay to the point of wow they

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really really isolate themselves

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interesting people very interesting

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that's that's all I'll say um so Wow why

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would the happen be attached to that

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doll did they drag it behind one of

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their buggies and he caught on I don't

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know that's different I mean yes things

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like the hat man could be attached to

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objects I've experienced such a thing

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where something negative was attached I

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believe I've shared this before but I

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like sharing this this story so let's

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see if I could conjure up my memories on

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this crazy story so like um one of my

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friends had this old perfume bottle and

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it was really fancy it was like black

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and hello little like feather attached

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to and it was just it was old and fancy

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you could just tell like it had been

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around and so my friend gave it to me Oh

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Michael is cool 11 take it thank you so

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much i'm just gonna keep that here ok so

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this is awesome so I you know had I had

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had a college roommate at the time and I

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put this perfume bottle up in the

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cabinet that night I could not sleep for

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the life of me like I felt my spirit was

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disturbed if that's a way of putting it

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like like you close your eyes and and

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it's almost like a thousand voices going

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on at the same time I was like noise

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you knew it was negative and i was like

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huh you know wake up like what was that

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go back to sleep what was that I like

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gosh this is crazy you know I was in

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college I had stuff to do the next day

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I'm like I can't sleep I got up to go

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sit at the kitchen table because I was

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like I mean that was so not like me to

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get up like that and lo and behold my

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college for me but sitting at the table

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I like wow what are you doing up it's

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just like I can't sleep I keep hearing

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like lots and like chatter or something

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like something disturbing her rest and

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I'm like oh my goodness that is so weird

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I wonder what it could be in womb my

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attention went like like my eyes were

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drawn to look at the cabinet where this

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perfume bottle was and like could it be

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could it be I'm like you know I was

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given this perfume bottle and it's just

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kind of weird it had a little musky

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smell to it of some old lady perfume in

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there and and my friends like it must be

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yeah I mean where'd it come from like

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well yeah I don't know what my friend

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gave it to me it's like okay so the next

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day I call up the friend that gave me

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the perfume bottle and I'm like so I

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wanted to give you this back because I

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don't know I just I just don't I'm

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probably never used it I mean who's

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gonna pour perfume into this thing I

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mean I wasn't gonna do it and she said

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oh no no I don't want it because they

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had a bad vibe on it oh but she gave it

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to me I was like what isn't that

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something I'm like wow thanks a lot she

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would not take it I threw that hang out

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and you know what I slept fine ever

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since I'm solos there you go so there

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you go there goes your attachment story

294
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too odd things so that that can happen I

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don't think that necessarily happened

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because came from Amish country but

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who's who's who's to know I could tell

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you this I never liked dolls never like

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I like stuffed animals I never liked

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dolls they're their eyes I'm trying to

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look human and all it just was ohtsu it

302
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was a farce and I knew it they weren't

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real so that wasn't about it

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and I have six sisters okay and I was

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one of the youngest and I just felt like

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dolls headed to be they just had to be

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destroyed like they had to be hidden

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their heads ripped off and separated

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kind of like when you want to get rid of

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a Ouija board you take blanch it off and

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you separate it and that's what I felt

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dolls heads had to have happened they

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must have thought I was disturbed I just

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did not like them looking at me so I

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figured they needed to be dismantled and

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hidden after you did that so that's what

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I did if I could they were a lot older

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than me so they didn't appreciate my my

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tactics to try to save their souls from

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these dolls so okay um Carolyn

321
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interesting stuff i'll have to look up a

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wolf spirit i know i've heard it in

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native something as far as you know

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believing in somebody fighting for you

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type of thing so that's that's

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interesting interesting i just go with

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God God works great okay going to the

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next one ESS dear Heidi I heard you on

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coast coast and I have had a very

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unusual experience I had to be

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hospitalized January thirteenth of this

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year unbeknownst to me I had pneumonia

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when I got there I had a heart attack I

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had to be put on life support I had this

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weird experience of someone in the

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doorway on the left which there was no

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doorway hmm where which there was no

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doorway or man with a black fedora hat

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and black suit ok something's know

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something's not but ok they didn't put

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some word in there I don't know what's

342
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missing um was no doorway or man with a

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black fedora and a black suit standing

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there it was very light in the back of

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him bright white to light he was

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standing near staring at me with his

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arms crossed down across his body I

348
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thought it was a visitor from one of my

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family members may be one of their

350
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friends I asked my husband if one of his

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work fellows came to see me and he said

352
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no it has really bothered me that I had

353
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this experience it was not a good

354
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feeling at all when I heard your show

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and coast to coast I said oh my gosh i

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won

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if it was that man that I saw he never

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came back again I do pray a lot although

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I don't go to church I'm a very

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spiritual person and I have God in my

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life and lots of angels surrounding me

362
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but maybe you could tell me why he was

363
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there thank you so much Linda oh Linda I

364
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don't know I don't know where they show

365
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up um you know when that happens to

366
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people they always like you know why was

367
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he there why was he looking at me what

368
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is the problem what's wrong with me in

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my face I've got my life I understand

370
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why he's looking at me well you know why

371
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does he look at anybody why is he

372
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looking at five year old you know that

373
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five-year-old is something that I should

374
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know about I mean honestly I mean I

375
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don't know what triggers him to be the

376
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jolly rotten stink that he is I like

377
00:17:15,510 --> 00:17:12,640
that that's not good i should put that

378
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in the book um so yeah I don't know I

379
00:17:21,329 --> 00:17:17,949
don't know why would he look at you that

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way um what is disturbing to me as you

381
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had essentially a near-death experience

382
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almost of a sort and he was the one

383
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waiting for you so when that happens to

384
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a person I have a little bit more uh-huh

385
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it's like a grinding of the teeth as he

386
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was gnashing his for you I mean it's not

387
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it's not a good thing I mean my gut

388
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feeling tells me he saw something in you

389
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that he liked and he seemed to be

390
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eyeballing like lip and his licking his

391
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chops like come to Papa i'm sorry i

392
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don't know why i don't know why is there

393
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but you know I think we all like how can

394
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I say if you eat ribs okay everybody out

395
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there eat ribs know there's some

396
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vegetarians raising their hands saying

397
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no I eat carrots oh ok sorry but cover

398
00:18:19,020 --> 00:18:14,530
your ears carrot eaters I eat ribs and

399
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when you eat ribs you know you know that

400
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there's going to be a drop somewhere and

401
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it's going to stain your clothes it's

402
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going to stain your clothes and you're

403
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gonna be like oh darn and you know that

404
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drop is there that stay

405
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is there because you were licking your

406
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chops eating those ribs and just

407
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enjoying the heck out of those ribs and

408
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you go about your day because you can't

409
00:18:45,270 --> 00:18:42,310
get nowhere to get a clean you know to

410
00:18:48,540 --> 00:18:45,280
get that stain out i'm at the big BBQ

411
00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:48,550
sauce and rib juice stain it's gonna

412
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show the world I just had ribs until I

413
00:18:59,550 --> 00:18:55,960
could get this washed off now you know

414
00:19:03,270 --> 00:18:59,560
that's Dana stare when it comes to this

415
00:19:06,450 --> 00:19:03,280
dark thing looking your way you know

416
00:19:09,690 --> 00:19:06,460
what he's looking at deep deep down you

417
00:19:12,450 --> 00:19:09,700
know you had some negative ribs and it

418
00:19:14,180 --> 00:19:12,460
dripped on your soul somewhere and you

419
00:19:17,490 --> 00:19:14,190
didn't wash the stain off you don't know

420
00:19:19,110 --> 00:19:17,500
where exactly it is my edits in the back

421
00:19:21,660 --> 00:19:19,120
are on the side I know maybe it's on

422
00:19:25,470 --> 00:19:21,670
your shoe but it's there you know it's

423
00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:25,480
there so take the time to clean the spot

424
00:19:30,510 --> 00:19:27,570
off you know before you go out in public

425
00:19:35,490 --> 00:19:30,520
before he gets a whiff of your barbecue

426
00:19:38,310 --> 00:19:35,500
juice drippings and and starts licking

427
00:19:40,050 --> 00:19:38,320
his chops for some of it because we all

428
00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:40,060
got little stains here and there we just

429
00:19:45,510 --> 00:19:43,210
got to take the time to wipe it off you

430
00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:45,520
know parables taught by the greatest

431
00:19:50,010 --> 00:19:47,890
parable teacher of all time hello Jesus

432
00:19:51,900 --> 00:19:50,020
so there you go I don't know where the

433
00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:51,910
rib thing came from I really kind of

434
00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:54,970
have a taste for some so there you go so

435
00:19:59,340 --> 00:19:57,010
I hope that that helped you a little bit

436
00:20:01,230 --> 00:19:59,350
Linda but we all got a little little

437
00:20:02,940 --> 00:20:01,240
stain somewhere we got I gotta wash off

438
00:20:05,790 --> 00:20:02,950
and some stains are bigger than others

439
00:20:06,930 --> 00:20:05,800
and you know nobody's perfect I mean

440
00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:06,940
doesn't mean you should go down in

441
00:20:12,330 --> 00:20:10,210
flames literally so I strata let's try

442
00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:12,340
to fix that shall we okay all right let

443
00:20:15,390 --> 00:20:13,930
me get to the next one here I want to

444
00:20:18,390 --> 00:20:15,400
get at least three in because they're

445
00:20:21,990 --> 00:20:18,400
just fun I got so many oh my gosh up so

446
00:20:23,340 --> 00:20:22,000
many and it's always this dark man I'll

447
00:20:25,230 --> 00:20:23,350
see what this one is okay says dear

448
00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:25,240
Heidi my name is Martin hey Martin I

449
00:20:30,120 --> 00:20:27,730
heard your chat with George on

450
00:20:32,610 --> 00:20:30,130
coast-to-coast it was great oh thanks

451
00:20:34,590 --> 00:20:32,620
Martin my night terror started when I

452
00:20:37,410 --> 00:20:34,600
was 12 years old my aunt played the

453
00:20:39,180 --> 00:20:37,420
Ouija board my younger sister and I

454
00:20:43,379 --> 00:20:39,190
grabbed it one afternoon and had

455
00:20:46,529 --> 00:20:43,389
communicated with a spirit named Lucas

456
00:20:48,869 --> 00:20:46,539
ah Martin if it wasn't George Lucas okay

457
00:20:51,499 --> 00:20:48,879
it was giving us very accurate correct

458
00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:51,509
answers until it asked me to leave and

459
00:20:59,009 --> 00:20:55,690
play alone with my little sister we got

460
00:21:02,879 --> 00:20:59,019
freaked out and left that same night and

461
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we were in bed my mom sister and I the

462
00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:05,469
clot and the closet door began to rattle

463
00:21:10,079 --> 00:21:07,690
and shake very loud okay something's

464
00:21:12,569 --> 00:21:10,089
missing here very loud and there was a

465
00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:12,579
very scary negative feeling to it i

466
00:21:17,190 --> 00:21:15,369
would say any closet door shaking it was

467
00:21:19,799 --> 00:21:17,200
gonna give me a negative feel like okay

468
00:21:28,549 --> 00:21:19,809
um and I recall my mother whispering to

469
00:21:31,109 --> 00:21:28,559
me and grasping me saying what is that I

470
00:21:33,959 --> 00:21:31,119
don't mean to laugh I get a kick out of

471
00:21:36,599 --> 00:21:33,969
spooky stuff okay so my little sister

472
00:21:39,449 --> 00:21:36,609
was asleep every night was a different

473
00:21:42,449 --> 00:21:39,459
experience since then I've had hundreds

474
00:21:44,669 --> 00:21:42,459
of episodes own oh but the few i recall

475
00:21:46,949 --> 00:21:44,679
the most was being woken up in the

476
00:21:50,399 --> 00:21:46,959
middle of the night by the sound of loud

477
00:21:53,549 --> 00:21:50,409
old telephones i had no phone in my room

478
00:21:56,310 --> 00:21:53,559
and when I opened my eyes there was a

479
00:21:59,789 --> 00:21:56,320
figure blacker than the pitch black and

480
00:22:02,459 --> 00:21:59,799
its reaction was surprisingly when I

481
00:22:06,239 --> 00:22:02,469
said hello it jumped back and ran

482
00:22:09,209 --> 00:22:06,249
through the wall oh I was always

483
00:22:11,879 --> 00:22:09,219
paralyzed through all these episodes the

484
00:22:14,099 --> 00:22:11,889
only thing I Kirk controllers my eyes my

485
00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:14,109
eyes were always wide open oh why don't

486
00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:16,450
you hate that um another episode I

487
00:22:21,029 --> 00:22:18,369
remember was waking up in a straight up

488
00:22:23,639 --> 00:22:21,039
position with this thing wrapping itself

489
00:22:27,269 --> 00:22:23,649
around my upper body like a snake ooh

490
00:22:31,709 --> 00:22:27,279
ooh I got chills everybody and Goering

491
00:22:33,810 --> 00:22:31,719
in my ear oh my gosh okay I'm so freaked

492
00:22:37,139 --> 00:22:33,820
out okay and Goering in my ear then

493
00:22:40,609 --> 00:22:37,149
slowly loosening up and floated out my

494
00:22:44,940 --> 00:22:40,619
door years had passed I would control it

495
00:22:48,419 --> 00:22:44,950
by trying to stay up all night I slept

496
00:22:50,579 --> 00:22:48,429
in school for years oh that's sad my

497
00:22:52,829 --> 00:22:50,589
parents had divorced at the time I had

498
00:22:54,299 --> 00:22:52,839
my last episode a little before my last

499
00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:54,309
episode I had taken a trip to the

500
00:23:00,560 --> 00:22:57,210
Vatican very cool

501
00:23:03,409 --> 00:23:00,570
and in the basement of the Vatican yes

502
00:23:06,740 --> 00:23:03,419
I've seen these in the basement of the

503
00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:06,750
Vatican they have a mummified Pope in a

504
00:23:10,460 --> 00:23:08,490
glass coffin not just one let me tell

505
00:23:11,690 --> 00:23:10,470
you I've seen several mummified Pope's

506
00:23:16,549 --> 00:23:11,700
something a lot of people don't realize

507
00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:16,559
but the Pope's get mummified it's really

508
00:23:24,260 --> 00:23:20,570
I'm not Catholic I was stunned okay um

509
00:23:26,419 --> 00:23:24,270
that said that I could they had one

510
00:23:29,779 --> 00:23:26,429
fight in public glass okay I said to my

511
00:23:33,289 --> 00:23:29,789
father as a joke let's take a picture my

512
00:23:36,889 --> 00:23:33,299
dad said no so my last episode I woke up

513
00:23:40,909 --> 00:23:36,899
and the mummified Pope was floating over

514
00:23:43,700 --> 00:23:40,919
top of me and going hmm oh that's

515
00:23:46,549 --> 00:23:43,710
terrible and trying to push my soul out

516
00:23:49,039 --> 00:23:46,559
of me I turned my head and then the

517
00:23:52,940 --> 00:23:49,049
corner of the room was a shadow man and

518
00:23:54,740 --> 00:23:52,950
he walked right up to me all my lights

519
00:23:58,870 --> 00:23:54,750
were on by the way in this figure

520
00:24:04,760 --> 00:23:58,880
crouched down and said You Know Who I am

521
00:24:09,019 --> 00:24:04,770
I'm Lucas oh boy I just pass out this

522
00:24:11,149 --> 00:24:09,029
had been ten years later now I shook out

523
00:24:13,639 --> 00:24:11,159
of it and ran out of the room and called

524
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:13,649
my mother who at the time had found God

525
00:24:18,289 --> 00:24:15,690
through Christianity and she asked me to

526
00:24:23,090 --> 00:24:18,299
go to my room and recite a prayer out

527
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:23,100
loud over the phone and poof after 10

528
00:24:28,789 --> 00:24:26,970
years it was over from one day to the

529
00:24:31,070 --> 00:24:28,799
next I was comfortable to walk through

530
00:24:34,039 --> 00:24:31,080
the house at night sleeping with the

531
00:24:36,620 --> 00:24:34,049
lights off again I guess I'm just cocky

532
00:24:39,889 --> 00:24:36,630
now because I've got a weapon to fight

533
00:24:43,250 --> 00:24:39,899
these demons with the power of Jesus

534
00:24:48,169 --> 00:24:43,260
Christ and the Word of God thank you for

535
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:48,179
reading goodbye wow that's some that's

536
00:24:51,889 --> 00:24:50,010
powerful that's that's really

537
00:24:55,340 --> 00:24:51,899
interesting but oh my gosh how many

538
00:24:58,760 --> 00:24:55,350
chills can i email give me oh that was

539
00:25:01,669 --> 00:24:58,770
Martin Martin that is something else I

540
00:25:03,590 --> 00:25:01,679
mean I I wasn't catching the fast

541
00:25:06,190 --> 00:25:03,600
forward from when your kid ten years of

542
00:25:09,409 --> 00:25:06,200
that constant hundreds of episodes

543
00:25:10,799 --> 00:25:09,419
hundreds that is just my that's

544
00:25:12,570 --> 00:25:10,809
mind-blowing you know I

545
00:25:15,749 --> 00:25:12,580
heard so many times where people have

546
00:25:18,389 --> 00:25:15,759
been bombarded literally bombarded

547
00:25:22,230 --> 00:25:18,399
because of one dilly-dallying with the

548
00:25:24,060 --> 00:25:22,240
Ouija board and they just regret it for

549
00:25:27,060 --> 00:25:24,070
the rest of their lives her for many

550
00:25:31,639 --> 00:25:27,070
years and I'm wondering what the heck's

551
00:25:34,619 --> 00:25:31,649
I have to do with the with a pope body

552
00:25:37,950 --> 00:25:34,629
mummified Pope floating over the top of

553
00:25:42,269 --> 00:25:37,960
you going hmm I mean wow it was trying

554
00:25:45,239 --> 00:25:42,279
to push your soul out of you that's just

555
00:25:47,810 --> 00:25:45,249
disturbing so the Pope just to get this

556
00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:47,820
clear the Pope was negative as well as

557
00:25:54,659 --> 00:25:51,970
this so-called Lucas dude it wasn't look

558
00:25:56,399 --> 00:25:54,669
as I say don't like the Hat man black

559
00:25:59,070 --> 00:25:56,409
figure crouched down you know who i am

560
00:26:00,899 --> 00:25:59,080
i'm lucas well hey he lies okay he just

561
00:26:02,519 --> 00:26:00,909
likes a lie that's just what he does if

562
00:26:05,700 --> 00:26:02,529
he had a tongue it would lie to it's

563
00:26:07,889 --> 00:26:05,710
just it's just what it is um so you know

564
00:26:10,769 --> 00:26:07,899
I love that you shared your story

565
00:26:13,590 --> 00:26:10,779
because a lot of people feel helpless

566
00:26:15,269 --> 00:26:13,600
they're like totally feel like at the

567
00:26:17,789 --> 00:26:15,279
mercy of these negative things like oh

568
00:26:19,739 --> 00:26:17,799
my gosh is so big in bed and I can wrap

569
00:26:23,399 --> 00:26:19,749
his body around me like a snake and

570
00:26:25,619 --> 00:26:23,409
growl and you know it's terrifying it is

571
00:26:28,350 --> 00:26:25,629
terrifying I know what it is to feel

572
00:26:32,249 --> 00:26:28,360
like gosh there's no hope what am I to

573
00:26:35,430 --> 00:26:32,259
do I am helpless but is it something

574
00:26:37,289 --> 00:26:35,440
like I understand that cockiness just a

575
00:26:40,139 --> 00:26:37,299
bit I don't want to feel like oh no I'm

576
00:26:42,529 --> 00:26:40,149
just so great but I know what you mean

577
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:42,539
it's not a cockiness it's a confidence

578
00:26:48,450 --> 00:26:46,210
it's a it's the confidence that gets

579
00:26:53,070 --> 00:26:48,460
instilled in a person when you have zero

580
00:26:56,820 --> 00:26:53,080
doubts in your faith and in that faith

581
00:27:01,200 --> 00:26:56,830
that can transform into light to repeal

582
00:27:04,350 --> 00:27:01,210
this evil that's not cocky that's all

583
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:04,360
good ki Pro and keep rocking it Martin

584
00:27:12,330 --> 00:27:07,210
honestly because that's that's what it's

585
00:27:14,180 --> 00:27:12,340
all about it's not so much a worry isn't

586
00:27:16,169 --> 00:27:14,190
it something it's not a worry like i

587
00:27:19,619 --> 00:27:16,179
don't know if you heard when i was doing

588
00:27:21,930 --> 00:27:19,629
coast of costa show and george noory was

589
00:27:23,490 --> 00:27:21,940
like Heidi you know how come this dark

590
00:27:24,390 --> 00:27:23,500
things haven't taken you out type of

591
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:24,400
thing and I was like

592
00:27:29,220 --> 00:27:26,530
because I have no doubts in my faith and

593
00:27:31,830 --> 00:27:29,230
you know I'm pretty I'm pretty settled

594
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:31,840
and content with my faith in the amount

595
00:27:38,700 --> 00:27:35,530
that I can use to repel these things and

596
00:27:41,550 --> 00:27:38,710
thank God Jesus is never far behind and

597
00:27:43,380 --> 00:27:41,560
thank God that that name of Jesus burns

598
00:27:45,780 --> 00:27:43,390
the ears of these evil things I don't

599
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:45,790
care what it is evil alien or whatever

600
00:27:50,430 --> 00:27:47,650
and you know I'm not a bible thumper

601
00:27:52,230 --> 00:27:50,440
either I'm not I don't go to church it's

602
00:27:55,590 --> 00:27:52,240
not a bad thing but I just you know I

603
00:27:57,360 --> 00:27:55,600
move a lot i'm not i feel fine wherever

604
00:27:58,980 --> 00:27:57,370
I'm at I feel church happens where

605
00:28:01,170 --> 00:27:58,990
you're at I think God happens where

606
00:28:03,300 --> 00:28:01,180
you're at I think it your faith can live

607
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:03,310
on no matter where you're at and I think

608
00:28:08,100 --> 00:28:06,010
it's okay I've had Jesus encounters my

609
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:08,110
book jesus is no joke says all about it

610
00:28:16,590 --> 00:28:13,330
and um he never told me IDK better get

611
00:28:17,670 --> 00:28:16,600
to church so uh I think I'm okay so you

612
00:28:20,490 --> 00:28:17,680
guys I want to thank you guys for

613
00:28:22,860 --> 00:28:20,500
writing in to me and we got to get to

614
00:28:25,110 --> 00:28:22,870
our next week so we get in our our first

615
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:25,120
break so you get in our awesome guess oh

616
00:28:28,470 --> 00:28:26,890
ho ho you guys are in for a treat your

617
00:28:31,260 --> 00:28:28,480
listen to me honey how's the outlander

618
00:28:33,060 --> 00:28:31,270
and we'll be right back welcome back

619
00:28:35,730 --> 00:28:33,070
everybody you listen to me Heidi house

620
00:28:37,590 --> 00:28:35,740
the Outlander woke up to the show put

621
00:28:42,570 --> 00:28:37,600
your feet up your welcome to call into

622
00:28:44,940 --> 00:28:42,580
the show at 1888 91 92 355 and as always

623
00:28:47,250 --> 00:28:44,950
I realize most you listen to the app so

624
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:47,260
i know a lot of people are like oh darn

625
00:28:50,970 --> 00:28:49,090
it's not live i can't call it no more so

626
00:28:53,220 --> 00:28:50,980
i totally understand it's all good but

627
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:53,230
you guys are in for a super duper treat

628
00:28:58,170 --> 00:28:55,690
tonight because this is just this is

629
00:29:00,900 --> 00:28:58,180
something that I have never ever ever

630
00:29:02,250 --> 00:29:00,910
spoken about on the show and it's just a

631
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:02,260
topic that I think you guys will really

632
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:05,410
dig and enjoy so my guest this evening

633
00:29:12,210 --> 00:29:08,890
is Michael bifur and uh we are gonna

634
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:12,220
talk about to be talking about twilight

635
00:29:20,180 --> 00:29:16,330
zone Rod Serling oh yes we have the

636
00:29:23,190 --> 00:29:20,190
creator of the rod serling archives

637
00:29:25,530 --> 00:29:23,200
o.m.g Michael round of applause for

638
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:25,540
Michael Piper how the heck are you this

639
00:29:30,090 --> 00:29:28,450
evening Michael I'm fine and I thank you

640
00:29:33,390 --> 00:29:30,100
for the opportunity to talk about Rod

641
00:29:36,750 --> 00:29:33,400
Serling oh my goodness I have to make

642
00:29:38,470 --> 00:29:36,760
some confessions okay so Rod Serling is

643
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:38,480
like the bugs bunny

644
00:29:43,490 --> 00:29:41,850
paranormal horror sci-fi mystery for me

645
00:29:47,029 --> 00:29:43,500
because buds buddies my favorite cartoon

646
00:29:50,419 --> 00:29:47,039
character and roster lling is just he's

647
00:29:53,029 --> 00:29:50,429
so dang interesting I mean I just I

648
00:29:55,700 --> 00:29:53,039
don't know I'm just I'm just speechless

649
00:29:58,279 --> 00:29:55,710
because he's so unique in such a such a

650
00:30:00,230 --> 00:29:58,289
unique guy that I have never had the

651
00:30:01,610 --> 00:30:00,240
opportunity to discuss with anybody so

652
00:30:03,590 --> 00:30:01,620
but first I want people to know your

653
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:03,600
background a little bit and what you've

654
00:30:09,169 --> 00:30:05,490
been doing and how did you get to be in

655
00:30:11,180 --> 00:30:09,179
the position that you are ok around

656
00:30:14,210 --> 00:30:11,190
nineteen seventy when I graduated I went

657
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:14,220
to Broome Community Technical College in

658
00:30:20,149 --> 00:30:17,370
binghamton new york and shortly after I

659
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:20,159
started there up walks rod so in one day

660
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:22,530
I'm sitting on the library steps and the

661
00:30:25,580 --> 00:30:23,970
doors weren't open yet and he stood

662
00:30:29,180 --> 00:30:25,590
there and talked with me for 20 minutes

663
00:30:31,909 --> 00:30:29,190
well I do knee calf experience and you

664
00:30:33,980 --> 00:30:31,919
know and he was only five foot five some

665
00:30:35,539 --> 00:30:33,990
say five foot four and a half he did

666
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:35,549
something I didn't pay attention to at

667
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:37,530
the time I was sitting on the bottom

668
00:30:43,310 --> 00:30:39,690
step and he walked up three steps and

669
00:30:44,779 --> 00:30:43,320
stood so that we were I died and I ever

670
00:30:47,870 --> 00:30:44,789
thought about it until later as I

671
00:30:50,299 --> 00:30:47,880
realized how short he was didn't hear

672
00:30:52,370 --> 00:30:50,309
that short of twilight zone intros right

673
00:30:56,149 --> 00:30:52,380
thank you short people from the feet up

674
00:30:57,680 --> 00:30:56,159
to make them interior so at any rate i

675
00:30:59,840 --> 00:30:57,690
also meant rod again the same year in

676
00:31:01,940 --> 00:30:59,850
1971 for a few minutes when he was

677
00:31:04,279 --> 00:31:01,950
speaking to the campus and about that

678
00:31:07,039 --> 00:31:04,289
time i decided to buy a 16 millimeter

679
00:31:09,289 --> 00:31:07,049
sound projector i had been collecting

680
00:31:12,110 --> 00:31:09,299
silent films as a kid for me his old up

681
00:31:14,270 --> 00:31:12,120
and i bought a projector some films and

682
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:14,280
decided to start trying to buy some

683
00:31:19,730 --> 00:31:17,490
twilight zone films and so I started

684
00:31:22,399 --> 00:31:19,740
attending film conventions all over the

685
00:31:24,620 --> 00:31:22,409
country and I decided to specialize in

686
00:31:27,140 --> 00:31:24,630
vintage television instead of just

687
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:27,150
feature films and you have to realize at

688
00:31:31,820 --> 00:31:29,130
that time period there was no video that

689
00:31:34,610 --> 00:31:31,830
came out 78 the first VHS machines and

690
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:34,620
there was no internet is we have the

691
00:31:40,190 --> 00:31:38,130
convenience of today to Google search so

692
00:31:42,350 --> 00:31:40,200
it was very difficult but I started

693
00:31:44,990 --> 00:31:42,360
buying TV packages in bulk and soon

694
00:31:47,630 --> 00:31:45,000
accumulated a lot of Rod Serling films

695
00:31:49,930 --> 00:31:47,640
not just Twilight zones but some of his

696
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:49,940
live kinescope from the Golden Age from

697
00:31:54,049 --> 00:31:51,890
1952 19-6

698
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:54,059
when he wrote a lot of live television

699
00:31:58,460 --> 00:31:56,730
and then I stumbled on a rare series

700
00:32:00,740 --> 00:31:58,470
called the loner that followed the

701
00:32:02,780 --> 00:32:00,750
twilight zone series and that was a

702
00:32:06,260 --> 00:32:02,790
civil war western series starring lloyd

703
00:32:08,270 --> 00:32:06,270
bridges and it only ran for 26 weeks so

704
00:32:09,980 --> 00:32:08,280
I'm just going to give you a ticket to

705
00:32:11,810 --> 00:32:09,990
this now and then as you asked questions

706
00:32:14,990 --> 00:32:11,820
we can get into the meat potatoes this

707
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:15,000
sounds good hey that was ramped so you

708
00:32:19,610 --> 00:32:17,250
know I started buying posters as well

709
00:32:22,730 --> 00:32:19,620
from all of his features you've got 12

710
00:32:25,190 --> 00:32:22,740
or 13 screenplays including Planet of

711
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:25,200
the Apes with so many people today don't

712
00:32:29,810 --> 00:32:27,570
realize he was the first writer on the

713
00:32:32,180 --> 00:32:29,820
original Planet of the Apes Charmcaster

714
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:32,190
nice so that gives the background as to

715
00:32:37,940 --> 00:32:35,130
how I got into collecting on now 63 and

716
00:32:41,930 --> 00:32:37,950
I'm still going strong still collecting

717
00:32:43,940 --> 00:32:41,940
and a little bit more background in 1968

718
00:32:47,870 --> 00:32:43,950
in binghamton the New York State

719
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:47,880
Historical Marker took billions in high

720
00:32:51,860 --> 00:32:50,370
school where i graduated in placed a

721
00:32:54,740 --> 00:32:51,870
historic marker in front of the high

722
00:32:56,270 --> 00:32:54,750
school so i went to that ceremony and

723
00:32:58,430 --> 00:32:56,280
that's where i met his teacher Helen

724
00:33:01,490 --> 00:32:58,440
Foley who he wrote in Twilight Zone

725
00:33:03,290 --> 00:33:01,500
about nightmare is a child and she said

726
00:33:05,350 --> 00:33:03,300
we've just formed a committee called the

727
00:33:07,549 --> 00:33:05,360
Rod Serling Memorial Foundation and

728
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:07,559
within six months I was the first

729
00:33:11,540 --> 00:33:10,290
president was elected and I worked with

730
00:33:13,790 --> 00:33:11,550
them for seven years and they're still

731
00:33:16,540 --> 00:33:13,800
going strong in bennington although they

732
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:16,550
have a different focus on what they do

733
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:19,770
excuse me so you know working with Helen

734
00:33:24,740 --> 00:33:22,170
in a lot of people that went to school

735
00:33:26,690 --> 00:33:24,750
with rod some of his war buddies that

736
00:33:29,390 --> 00:33:26,700
served with rod I was privileged to

737
00:33:33,530 --> 00:33:29,400
interview a lot of them in the late 80s

738
00:33:35,750 --> 00:33:33,540
through 1994 so since then I still been

739
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:35,760
attending conventions around the country

740
00:33:40,940 --> 00:33:37,890
but now we've been locking in picking up

741
00:33:43,570 --> 00:33:40,950
props no big props bizarre really tough

742
00:33:46,090 --> 00:33:43,580
to find but we have some unique ones

743
00:33:48,590 --> 00:33:46,100
handwritten letters canceled checks

744
00:33:51,530 --> 00:33:48,600
which Carol scientists probably sold

745
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:51,540
thousands knows his widow and but they

746
00:33:54,950 --> 00:33:53,010
still bring big bucks three to five

747
00:33:56,810 --> 00:33:54,960
hundred dollars for a canceled check is

748
00:34:00,860 --> 00:33:56,820
pretty good money I wish mine were worth

749
00:34:03,530 --> 00:34:00,870
that Yeah right so the Bundy museum

750
00:34:05,539 --> 00:34:03,540
reached out to me they open 10 years ago

751
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:05,549
in Binghamton and

752
00:34:09,859 --> 00:34:08,010
the owner reach out to me based on my

753
00:34:12,079 --> 00:34:09,869
experience with the foundation and

754
00:34:14,210 --> 00:34:12,089
wanted me to come in and he did three

755
00:34:16,430 --> 00:34:14,220
interviews and he says I want to build a

756
00:34:18,940 --> 00:34:16,440
big archive collection I want to build

757
00:34:22,039 --> 00:34:18,950
an archive website which we've done and

758
00:34:24,799 --> 00:34:22,049
April fifteenth of this year we

759
00:34:27,919 --> 00:34:24,809
dedicated a whole room of permanent

760
00:34:30,409 --> 00:34:27,929
exhibit for Rod Serling which we are

761
00:34:32,210 --> 00:34:30,419
changing this October we're going to

762
00:34:35,030 --> 00:34:32,220
revamp it about every six months so that

763
00:34:37,579 --> 00:34:35,040
we can put new material in and because

764
00:34:39,619 --> 00:34:37,589
of that opening the newspaper article

765
00:34:41,899 --> 00:34:39,629
here the bings impressed did such a big

766
00:34:43,849 --> 00:34:41,909
article that it was picked up by the AP

767
00:34:47,030 --> 00:34:43,859
wire service for almost every newspaper

768
00:34:48,980 --> 00:34:47,040
in the country because of that the Bundy

769
00:34:51,379 --> 00:34:48,990
museum is now famous since I was in the

770
00:34:54,020 --> 00:34:51,389
archive we have people we just had three

771
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:54,030
from California San Diego lastly they're

772
00:34:58,010 --> 00:34:55,770
coming in from all over a professor of

773
00:34:59,960 --> 00:34:58,020
music from Juilliard they are just

774
00:35:02,240 --> 00:34:59,970
coming in droves to see the rod serling

775
00:35:05,240 --> 00:35:02,250
to exhibit so we're very pleased my

776
00:35:06,950 --> 00:35:05,250
goodness you know he's I mean okay I

777
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:06,960
first I have to ask I mean when it came

778
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:10,170
to all the stories I mean I'm I'm a

779
00:35:15,710 --> 00:35:12,450
Twilight Zone junkie I could watch them

780
00:35:17,930 --> 00:35:15,720
over and over and over again did he have

781
00:35:20,990 --> 00:35:17,940
a hand in writing everything that we saw

782
00:35:25,579 --> 00:35:21,000
in that series Rod Serling wrote 92

783
00:35:28,039 --> 00:35:25,589
strips out of 156 oh wow that was five

784
00:35:32,089 --> 00:35:28,049
seasons it was actually cancelled after

785
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:32,099
season three a half-hour shows and so he

786
00:35:35,839 --> 00:35:33,930
went back to Antioch College to teach

787
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:35,849
and while he was out there after a

788
00:35:40,789 --> 00:35:38,130
couple of months CBS picked it up again

789
00:35:42,230 --> 00:35:40,799
for an hour format but he was committed

790
00:35:45,230 --> 00:35:42,240
to still teaching so he was going back

791
00:35:48,829 --> 00:35:45,240
and forth so of the 16 1 hours I think

792
00:35:50,270 --> 00:35:48,839
he only wrote three he just wasn't able

793
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:50,280
to because it was teaching on vacations

794
00:35:53,990 --> 00:35:52,770
and most of the hour ones for the fans

795
00:35:56,539 --> 00:35:54,000
that have seen them they were never

796
00:35:58,309 --> 00:35:56,549
syndicated but now with the box sets of

797
00:36:00,470 --> 00:35:58,319
dvds that are out there they're all

798
00:36:02,660 --> 00:36:00,480
available did he oversee everything that

799
00:36:04,609 --> 00:36:02,670
was written though did he like make sure

800
00:36:07,849 --> 00:36:04,619
it was yesterday he had his hand in most

801
00:36:10,339 --> 00:36:07,859
everything he owned fifty percent of the

802
00:36:12,620 --> 00:36:10,349
company k / productions their home was

803
00:36:15,380 --> 00:36:12,630
on cayuga lake outside to visit to New

804
00:36:17,539 --> 00:36:15,390
York and so it stays of productions and

805
00:36:19,359 --> 00:36:17,549
he owned fifty percent of the company he

806
00:36:22,359 --> 00:36:19,369
did a lot of the writing I mean he

807
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:22,369
a lot of the producing he did a lot of

808
00:36:26,829 --> 00:36:24,890
picking the cast he wanted a matter of

809
00:36:29,349 --> 00:36:26,839
fact many episodes he wrote specifically

810
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:29,359
for certain individuals that he had like

811
00:36:33,339 --> 00:36:31,130
their work he'd seen and other things or

812
00:36:35,739 --> 00:36:33,349
they worked in live television with him

813
00:36:40,029 --> 00:36:35,749
in the 50s so he did a lot of casting

814
00:36:41,650 --> 00:36:40,039
himself as well so he made sure that

815
00:36:45,609 --> 00:36:41,660
things stay true and blue to the

816
00:36:49,329 --> 00:36:45,619
twilight zone theme so this is it that I

817
00:36:53,079 --> 00:36:49,339
wanted I really want to understand I

818
00:36:57,130 --> 00:36:53,089
mean it's just the depths to which his

819
00:37:00,220 --> 00:36:57,140
mind looked at reality I mean for this

820
00:37:03,759 --> 00:37:00,230
for that time for that arrow is it's

821
00:37:05,289 --> 00:37:03,769
just like even still today I mean I love

822
00:37:06,789 --> 00:37:05,299
even even that it's black and white i

823
00:37:09,370 --> 00:37:06,799
love that element because it kind of

824
00:37:11,140 --> 00:37:09,380
adds to the mystery of it all like what

825
00:37:13,779 --> 00:37:11,150
it really look like you know i just i

826
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:13,789
love that and it's like to think that uh

827
00:37:18,849 --> 00:37:16,249
you know it's all relative still it's

828
00:37:21,460 --> 00:37:18,859
like the way that he he conceptualized

829
00:37:23,589 --> 00:37:21,470
his story lines it's like I've thought

830
00:37:25,900 --> 00:37:23,599
about that and oh I wonder if that was

831
00:37:28,420 --> 00:37:25,910
ever a possibility and you know he went

832
00:37:31,180 --> 00:37:28,430
there and he portrayed it on screen on

833
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:31,190
top of it to make it just really hit

834
00:37:35,710 --> 00:37:33,410
home with people i mean how do you how

835
00:37:40,059 --> 00:37:35,720
do you account for you know the way that

836
00:37:42,579 --> 00:37:40,069
his mind worked well you know I some

837
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:42,589
people have said he was a writing genius

838
00:37:47,460 --> 00:37:44,690
like Mark plane I don't agree to that

839
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:47,470
degree but for the television writing

840
00:37:52,870 --> 00:37:50,210
nobody has ever surpassed Rod Serling or

841
00:37:54,999 --> 00:37:52,880
will he won fix Emmys for dramatic

842
00:37:57,069 --> 00:37:55,009
television writing which is held up to

843
00:37:58,690 --> 00:37:57,079
this day and it can never be beat

844
00:38:01,870 --> 00:37:58,700
because if you look back then there was

845
00:38:04,329 --> 00:38:01,880
39 episodes for season he wrote most all

846
00:38:07,539 --> 00:38:04,339
of them himself today you might have 12

847
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:07,549
episodes per season right writers write

848
00:38:12,970 --> 00:38:09,650
and nobody is ever going to win six

849
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:12,980
Emmys for dramatic writing and what's

850
00:38:16,989 --> 00:38:15,410
interesting is the reason he branched

851
00:38:19,749 --> 00:38:16,999
out into the science fiction fantasy

852
00:38:21,519 --> 00:38:19,759
realm was because of his censorship he's

853
00:38:24,279 --> 00:38:21,529
known as the last angry man of

854
00:38:27,819 --> 00:38:24,289
television because he fought vehemently

855
00:38:29,650 --> 00:38:27,829
against the sensors all through the 50s

856
00:38:31,749 --> 00:38:29,660
a matter fact he even went to Washington

857
00:38:33,010 --> 00:38:31,759
and protested to Congress and everything

858
00:38:36,070 --> 00:38:33,020
about the FC

859
00:38:38,650 --> 00:38:36,080
see in the censorship and back then from

860
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:38,660
1950 when he first broke for television

861
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:40,970
through 60 considered the Golden Age of

862
00:38:47,380 --> 00:38:44,330
TV it was live television so there was

863
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:47,390
never a plan for residuals or reruns

864
00:38:53,830 --> 00:38:50,930
until about 55 they started filming on

865
00:38:56,650 --> 00:38:53,840
16-millimeter and syndicating son but

866
00:38:58,900 --> 00:38:56,660
when you're talking live television you

867
00:39:01,930 --> 00:38:58,910
know mistakes and all it airs it is what

868
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:01,940
it is and it was fascinated but for

869
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:03,530
example he was he was doing the

870
00:39:07,780 --> 00:39:06,050
Playhouse 90 on the Emmett Till case

871
00:39:10,270 --> 00:39:07,790
about the young black gentleman that was

872
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:10,280
murdered down south i think in 16 and

873
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:12,290
they just made him rewrite it they made

874
00:39:16,300 --> 00:39:14,090
him take coca-cola off the shelf because

875
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:16,310
they said that symbolizes racism

876
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:20,570
coca-cola does ah yeah yeah that's how

877
00:39:27,100 --> 00:39:23,290
far they went and he did another one on

878
00:39:32,050 --> 00:39:27,110
Nazis and Holocaust in the d prison

879
00:39:34,690 --> 00:39:32,060
camps and the sponsor was a gas company

880
00:39:36,970 --> 00:39:34,700
so they were not allowed to mention the

881
00:39:39,340 --> 00:39:36,980
gas chambers which was the whole point

882
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:39,350
of the whole dramatic theme of the

883
00:39:44,230 --> 00:39:41,930
episode so he really fought against

884
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:44,240
censorship there's a famous half-hour

885
00:39:48,310 --> 00:39:46,130
television show I think it's on the DVD

886
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:48,320
boxset the twilight zone with Mike

887
00:39:53,110 --> 00:39:51,170
Wallace an interview and in there Mike

888
00:39:55,090 --> 00:39:53,120
Wallace says well I hear you're giving

889
00:39:57,550 --> 00:39:55,100
up writing serious television and boy

890
00:39:59,890 --> 00:39:57,560
that flipped him off and he says no I'm

891
00:40:02,230 --> 00:39:59,900
not giving up anything but he said as a

892
00:40:04,660 --> 00:40:02,240
writer into a censorship I am NOT

893
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:04,670
allowed to say what some Republican

894
00:40:08,830 --> 00:40:06,290
character might say or Democratic

895
00:40:11,740 --> 00:40:08,840
character might say but if I make that

896
00:40:15,070 --> 00:40:11,750
another planet another time with an

897
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:15,080
alien saying the same dialogue yes way

898
00:40:20,620 --> 00:40:18,050
so that's how he decided to do this to

899
00:40:23,740 --> 00:40:20,630
Thomas own series in branch out where he

900
00:40:25,570 --> 00:40:23,750
could say and get his point across by

901
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:25,580
putting it out into outer space or into

902
00:40:31,510 --> 00:40:29,330
fantasy oh really and that's how we're

903
00:40:34,030 --> 00:40:31,520
able to relate to it still today because

904
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:34,040
he was borrowing from reality and had a

905
00:40:39,700 --> 00:40:36,610
lot to say and so he distorted it

906
00:40:40,990 --> 00:40:39,710
interesting yeah in the twist endings I

907
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:41,000
mean that's what he's most famous for

908
00:40:46,180 --> 00:40:43,610
yeah even the other writers like Richard

909
00:40:47,190 --> 00:40:46,190
Matheson one of the greatest writers in

910
00:40:49,470 --> 00:40:47,200
Ray Bradbury

911
00:40:51,750 --> 00:40:49,480
George Slaton Johnson the other writers

912
00:40:55,500 --> 00:40:51,760
of planet song all tried to keep that

913
00:40:57,750 --> 00:40:55,510
twist ending going just like he did some

914
00:40:59,640 --> 00:40:57,760
of them succeeded some did not but

915
00:41:01,890 --> 00:40:59,650
everyone it is certainly has a twist

916
00:41:03,420 --> 00:41:01,900
ending and it's like a good book you can

917
00:41:05,069 --> 00:41:03,430
read it 10 times well you can watch it

918
00:41:07,140 --> 00:41:05,079
Twilight Zone episode 10 times or more

919
00:41:09,180 --> 00:41:07,150
oh yeah every time you're going to see

920
00:41:10,859 --> 00:41:09,190
something different you're right think

921
00:41:12,569 --> 00:41:10,869
of something in the background or why

922
00:41:16,349 --> 00:41:12,579
didn't catch that phrase the first time

923
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:16,359
so that's why yourself and I and all the

924
00:41:20,250 --> 00:41:18,130
fans of Twilight Zone in particular can

925
00:41:21,510 --> 00:41:20,260
watch these over and over and even

926
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:21,520
though you might know every line of

927
00:41:25,650 --> 00:41:24,010
dialogue or you hear one line and you

928
00:41:28,109 --> 00:41:25,660
know what the episode is you know it's

929
00:41:29,700 --> 00:41:28,119
just so popular when I talk to people I

930
00:41:31,620 --> 00:41:29,710
can mention one or two words and they

931
00:41:34,170 --> 00:41:31,630
tell me the episode from stars in it and

932
00:41:36,599 --> 00:41:34,180
it's just amazing the fan base for

933
00:41:39,839 --> 00:41:36,609
Twilight Zone in particular yeah and you

934
00:41:41,940 --> 00:41:39,849
know i'm sorry but i have yet to watch

935
00:41:44,069 --> 00:41:41,950
an episode and go well that's dunk I

936
00:41:45,690 --> 00:41:44,079
mean I've never come you know an talk

937
00:41:47,940 --> 00:41:45,700
about silver there were something that

938
00:41:49,290 --> 00:41:47,950
fed Rod Serling himself said about

939
00:41:52,470 --> 00:41:49,300
twenty percent of the episodes were

940
00:41:55,589 --> 00:41:52,480
lousy I looting something he wrote but

941
00:41:58,440 --> 00:41:55,599
here's a philosophy behind that they

942
00:42:01,050 --> 00:41:58,450
were such a low budget than him where

943
00:42:03,900 --> 00:42:01,060
they were filming for you to do a great

944
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:03,910
a lien sequence on a planet or a great

945
00:42:08,130 --> 00:42:05,530
western sequence or whatever the thing

946
00:42:11,730 --> 00:42:08,140
was they had to do among small sound

947
00:42:14,190 --> 00:42:11,740
stage with little toy props and so some

948
00:42:16,470 --> 00:42:14,200
episodes in particular the invaders with

949
00:42:19,020 --> 00:42:16,480
agnes moorehead where she doesn't speak

950
00:42:20,579 --> 00:42:19,030
at all she's mute she's you know a tall

951
00:42:24,630 --> 00:42:20,589
person you see the United States

952
00:42:26,309 --> 00:42:24,640
soldiers or up pretending to be the

953
00:42:28,950 --> 00:42:26,319
alien she thinks they're aliens invading

954
00:42:30,660 --> 00:42:28,960
her and it actually is she's the ailing

955
00:42:31,950 --> 00:42:30,670
and they're they're checking out the

956
00:42:34,020 --> 00:42:31,960
planet what she doesn't talk in the

957
00:42:36,599 --> 00:42:34,030
whole episode and rod said in an

958
00:42:39,690 --> 00:42:36,609
interview that is his favorite episode

959
00:42:42,180 --> 00:42:39,700
that he did not write really and what's

960
00:42:45,210 --> 00:42:42,190
interesting about it is agnes moorehead

961
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:45,220
of course in the door i'm bewitched so

962
00:42:49,170 --> 00:42:46,690
most people know worse yeah she was a

963
00:42:51,990 --> 00:42:49,180
good actress yeah and she had no

964
00:42:54,030 --> 00:42:52,000
dialogue in the whole episode so she

965
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:54,040
studied with Marcel Marceau the

966
00:42:59,609 --> 00:42:57,010
world-famous mind for a month to learn

967
00:43:00,510 --> 00:42:59,619
how to not talk and deliver the

968
00:43:02,490 --> 00:43:00,520
performance she won

969
00:43:04,770 --> 00:43:02,500
to do that's how dedicatedly what was

970
00:43:07,620 --> 00:43:04,780
that episode called the invaders the

971
00:43:10,620 --> 00:43:07,630
invaders okay gotcha and if you look at

972
00:43:13,380 --> 00:43:10,630
the bigger screen than a small 19 inch

973
00:43:16,050 --> 00:43:13,390
or 10 inch like back then you will see

974
00:43:18,300 --> 00:43:16,060
because in the invaders supposedly the

975
00:43:21,240 --> 00:43:18,310
two US astronauts a little ploy

976
00:43:23,010 --> 00:43:21,250
cardboard cutouts you can see strings

977
00:43:25,110 --> 00:43:23,020
and you can see and that's what rod was

978
00:43:26,900 --> 00:43:25,120
referring to there was no budget to

979
00:43:29,790 --> 00:43:26,910
really do justice to some of those

980
00:43:31,740 --> 00:43:29,800
episodes but yeah he said several times

981
00:43:34,740 --> 00:43:31,750
that was his favorite of the episodes he

982
00:43:36,900 --> 00:43:34,750
did not write goodness what I've got a

983
00:43:38,970 --> 00:43:36,910
question in the chat room time Walker's

984
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:38,980
asking do you know what episodes that

985
00:43:44,730 --> 00:43:41,410
rod patterned after actual events that

986
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:44,740
he experienced in his life well I can

987
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:48,130
think of one despite famous and that is

988
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:50,530
mirror image about the bus station with

989
00:43:55,740 --> 00:43:52,930
three miles and Martin Milner where they

990
00:43:58,470 --> 00:43:55,750
have their counterparts on another

991
00:44:01,320 --> 00:43:58,480
planet are they seasoned here at the bus

992
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:01,330
station and they're taking over the

993
00:44:05,700 --> 00:44:03,370
original body and that's an interesting

994
00:44:06,990 --> 00:44:05,710
episode because rod was telling in one

995
00:44:09,990 --> 00:44:07,000
of the interviews where he was at the

996
00:44:12,090 --> 00:44:10,000
London Airport and he looked across the

997
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:12,100
room waiting to get into the airplane

998
00:44:16,590 --> 00:44:14,170
and he saw somebody that had the same

999
00:44:18,810 --> 00:44:16,600
cult he had on the same hat he had on

1000
00:44:21,690 --> 00:44:18,820
and when the he turned around he said it

1001
00:44:24,090 --> 00:44:21,700
was my identical twin sis and it really

1002
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:24,100
freaked them out I think that's what

1003
00:44:28,220 --> 00:44:25,810
prompted him from what I've read in

1004
00:44:30,300 --> 00:44:28,230
interviews and listen to some speeches

1005
00:44:32,580 --> 00:44:30,310
that that prompted him to do that

1006
00:44:35,070 --> 00:44:32,590
episode and that's important to us in

1007
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:35,080
bennington because the episode deals

1008
00:44:40,380 --> 00:44:38,170
with our Binghamton bus station CBS when

1009
00:44:42,570 --> 00:44:40,390
that aired for a publicity photo showed

1010
00:44:45,230 --> 00:44:42,580
rod getting on a bus in front of our

1011
00:44:47,700 --> 00:44:45,240
actual bus station so in that episode

1012
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:47,710
although we've tried to narrow it down

1013
00:44:51,210 --> 00:44:49,330
that it was probably in city college

1014
00:44:52,860 --> 00:44:51,220
where they were enroute to the main

1015
00:44:55,620 --> 00:44:52,870
character says I'm convenient and twice

1016
00:44:57,870 --> 00:44:55,630
he mentions Portland five times Syracuse

1017
00:45:00,420 --> 00:44:57,880
three times in a small town Tully that

1018
00:45:02,430 --> 00:45:00,430
was on the bus route so he was famous to

1019
00:45:05,730 --> 00:45:02,440
you know keep Binghamton and all of his

1020
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:05,740
hometown friends and relations alive and

1021
00:45:10,590 --> 00:45:08,530
a lot of his episodes oh that is so cool

1022
00:45:12,900 --> 00:45:10,600
i mean i guess when you you have such a

1023
00:45:14,250 --> 00:45:12,910
creative mind and you know you know how

1024
00:45:16,340 --> 00:45:14,260
to write it well

1025
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:16,350
mean you could do anything that you want

1026
00:45:24,350 --> 00:45:20,290
gasps I guess if you remember the pilot

1027
00:45:27,030 --> 00:45:24,360
where is everybody the half hour private

1028
00:45:29,430 --> 00:45:27,040
role Holloman there's a scene where Earl

1029
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:29,440
Holliman gets trapped in a phone booth

1030
00:45:32,910 --> 00:45:31,090
he's trying to dial somebody of course

1031
00:45:35,490 --> 00:45:32,920
there's no people there in the whole

1032
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:35,500
episode your sim talking and he couldn't

1033
00:45:43,050 --> 00:45:37,330
get out and that happened to ride as

1034
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:43,060
well mmm so back in 86 I was I did a

1035
00:45:46,590 --> 00:45:45,370
film festival with the foundation and I

1036
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:46,600
had done some business with laurel

1037
00:45:49,830 --> 00:45:48,490
holloman I called him and I said would

1038
00:45:51,990 --> 00:45:49,840
you like to come and be our guest at

1039
00:45:55,620 --> 00:45:52,000
this festival he says Mike he says I'm

1040
00:45:58,020 --> 00:45:55,630
in Calgary shooting a nother Gunsmoke

1041
00:46:00,000 --> 00:45:58,030
Western out of the 12 rerun movies they

1042
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:00,010
did but he says I'll make a cassette

1043
00:46:04,380 --> 00:46:02,050
tape for you and so he nailed me a

1044
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:04,390
cassette tape of about 12 minutes where

1045
00:46:09,210 --> 00:46:07,170
he told me his personal story of how rod

1046
00:46:11,100 --> 00:46:09,220
cornered him in the parking lot they

1047
00:46:12,690 --> 00:46:11,110
never met he said they were actually rod

1048
00:46:15,630 --> 00:46:12,700
dove right on me knocking on the front

1049
00:46:17,580 --> 00:46:15,640
of my car I want you to start in this

1050
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:17,590
new pilot sci-fi pilot I'm doing

1051
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:20,530
twilight young and he hired him Earl

1052
00:46:24,450 --> 00:46:22,810
agreed on the spot and that was

1053
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:24,460
interesting that something weird

1054
00:46:29,130 --> 00:46:27,490
happened on that episode or Holloman

1055
00:46:32,100 --> 00:46:29,140
told on the tape that they had done one

1056
00:46:37,050 --> 00:46:32,110
whole day of shooting and there was no

1057
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:37,060
film in the camera dog such a cold in a

1058
00:46:41,100 --> 00:46:39,610
raspy voice that they had to reshoot

1059
00:46:43,050 --> 00:46:41,110
everything and so if you listen

1060
00:46:45,300 --> 00:46:43,060
carefully you will hear the different

1061
00:46:49,890 --> 00:46:45,310
case from the cold and the rasping

1062
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:49,900
throat to the clear dialogue hey sorry

1063
00:46:53,460 --> 00:46:51,490
you know we're really great privilege to

1064
00:46:55,170 --> 00:46:53,470
have that cassette tape as part of our

1065
00:46:57,600 --> 00:46:55,180
archive because things that I collected

1066
00:46:59,760 --> 00:46:57,610
are all they're not as well as you know

1067
00:47:01,680 --> 00:46:59,770
things we buy every week for the for the

1068
00:47:04,170 --> 00:47:01,690
archive exhibit and we've you know

1069
00:47:06,660 --> 00:47:04,180
subscribed it so we have what what a

1070
00:47:09,410 --> 00:47:06,670
moment Bell to who smacked themselves on

1071
00:47:12,150 --> 00:47:09,420
the forehead has said though ah yeah

1072
00:47:13,980 --> 00:47:12,160
I've been trapped in those phone booth

1073
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:13,990
and could not get out two or three times

1074
00:47:19,500 --> 00:47:16,570
and I had panic attacks and I freaked

1075
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:19,510
out too so I can see very well where he

1076
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:21,810
had in Earl Holliman put that element in

1077
00:47:27,900 --> 00:47:24,610
we also used another Binghamton store

1078
00:47:30,930 --> 00:47:27,910
called Resnick's mannequins

1079
00:47:33,089 --> 00:47:30,940
apparel and one of the first scenes in

1080
00:47:35,579 --> 00:47:33,099
the thing rod think she sees a woman in

1081
00:47:38,069 --> 00:47:35,589
the panel truck he goes over he opens

1082
00:47:40,140 --> 00:47:38,079
the door in a lady mannequin falls out

1083
00:47:42,089 --> 00:47:40,150
and he's talking to the mannequin and

1084
00:47:44,010 --> 00:47:42,099
laughing and then attains up and says

1085
00:47:45,870 --> 00:47:44,020
Resnick's department store which was our

1086
00:47:47,910 --> 00:47:45,880
Bennington store and then you can even

1087
00:47:50,220 --> 00:47:47,920
see in the background into the warehouse

1088
00:47:51,299 --> 00:47:50,230
with all these women mannequins so I

1089
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:51,309
don't know if they had a fetish for

1090
00:47:56,250 --> 00:47:53,890
mannequins but he used to hit her out of

1091
00:48:00,690 --> 00:47:56,260
episodes including one of the most

1092
00:48:03,150 --> 00:48:00,700
famously after hours with Anne Francis

1093
00:48:04,799 --> 00:48:03,160
is a mannequin that thinks she's a real

1094
00:48:06,809 --> 00:48:04,809
person and that's based on our local

1095
00:48:08,670 --> 00:48:06,819
department store here in Binghamton as

1096
00:48:11,700 --> 00:48:08,680
well so he seemed to do a lot with

1097
00:48:14,099 --> 00:48:11,710
mannequins and I've never heard him

1098
00:48:16,710 --> 00:48:14,109
speak on that topic but again you know

1099
00:48:19,740 --> 00:48:16,720
he immortalized a lot of experiences

1100
00:48:22,770 --> 00:48:19,750
that he had you know he never talked

1101
00:48:25,500 --> 00:48:22,780
much about UFOs or aliens although he

1102
00:48:28,349 --> 00:48:25,510
wrote 18 episodes on time travel with

1103
00:48:30,510 --> 00:48:28,359
Twilight Zone in 14 on space travel but

1104
00:48:34,289 --> 00:48:30,520
he did narrate the first in search of

1105
00:48:37,079 --> 00:48:34,299
ancient astronauts he narrated two of

1106
00:48:39,299 --> 00:48:37,089
them on UFOs we are not alone and one

1107
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:39,309
other one he had narrated another

1108
00:48:43,319 --> 00:48:40,930
project called encounters with the

1109
00:48:44,730 --> 00:48:43,329
unknown and he was to be the regular

1110
00:48:46,620 --> 00:48:44,740
narrator for the hole in search of

1111
00:48:48,839 --> 00:48:46,630
series but then he passed away suddenly

1112
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:48,849
and they thought Leonard Nimoy him to do

1113
00:48:54,420 --> 00:48:52,450
that series not goodness wow that I've

1114
00:48:57,539 --> 00:48:54,430
got another question here in the chat

1115
00:48:59,789 --> 00:48:57,549
room was asking uh I know one of the

1116
00:49:01,650 --> 00:48:59,799
people that the this is the supplies too

1117
00:49:03,870 --> 00:49:01,660
were there any famous people who got

1118
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:03,880
their start on twilight zone and who I

1119
00:49:09,299 --> 00:49:06,130
know William Shatner was that one of his

1120
00:49:11,730 --> 00:49:09,309
first major okay a lot of people have

1121
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:11,740
said well Shatner did his first twilight

1122
00:49:16,289 --> 00:49:13,930
zone and that was just for staffing no

1123
00:49:18,029 --> 00:49:16,299
it wasn't his first though no in

1124
00:49:21,599 --> 00:49:18,039
nineteen fifty six or eight he did a

1125
00:49:23,940 --> 00:49:21,609
playhouse 90 the town has turned to dust

1126
00:49:25,490 --> 00:49:23,950
and that was one that was based on that

1127
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:25,500
Emmett Till case I was telling you about

1128
00:49:31,049 --> 00:49:27,970
shattered they get a start with Serling

1129
00:49:32,779 --> 00:49:31,059
work on twilight zone and I had the

1130
00:49:35,970 --> 00:49:32,789
privilege of interviewing a lot of them

1131
00:49:38,569 --> 00:49:35,980
Leonard Nimoy he did not do twilight

1132
00:49:41,700 --> 00:49:38,579
zone what he did to a night gallery

1133
00:49:45,270 --> 00:49:41,710
DeForest Kelley doc is in the toilet

1134
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:45,280
so sorry yep scott james doohan has a

1135
00:49:50,070 --> 00:49:47,770
bit part in the twilight zone indoor

1136
00:49:52,589 --> 00:49:50,080
track and people don't know it oh my

1137
00:49:54,750 --> 00:49:52,599
gosh oh yeah well Gene Roddenberry was

1138
00:49:56,940 --> 00:49:54,760
the first sci-fi writer to get his star

1139
00:49:58,620 --> 00:49:56,950
on hollywood walk of fame and while he

1140
00:50:01,320 --> 00:49:58,630
was making his speech the first thing he

1141
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:01,330
said was I feel guilty accepting this

1142
00:50:05,070 --> 00:50:02,890
the first star should be going to Rod

1143
00:50:07,050 --> 00:50:05,080
Serling he said without Rod Serling

1144
00:50:09,540 --> 00:50:07,060
there would be no star trek or any of

1145
00:50:11,579 --> 00:50:09,550
these other popular sci-fi series so

1146
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:11,589
we're glad he acknowledged it yeah

1147
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:14,050
George Takei I was just mentioning did

1148
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:16,210
one of the most famous episodes but it's

1149
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:17,890
infamous at the same time it's called

1150
00:50:23,490 --> 00:50:21,130
the encounter aired once and it was

1151
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:23,500
about a Japanese soldier facing the

1152
00:50:27,660 --> 00:50:25,210
American soldier in his apartment where

1153
00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:27,670
he was renting from and they end up

1154
00:50:32,579 --> 00:50:29,650
killing each other that episode aired

1155
00:50:34,349 --> 00:50:32,589
once and it was banned from television

1156
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:34,359
they said it would never be seen again

1157
00:50:39,210 --> 00:50:37,330
and if Rod Serling did not have his own

1158
00:50:42,270 --> 00:50:39,220
16 millimeter printed that it probably

1159
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:42,280
never would be I've had it for the

1160
00:50:46,980 --> 00:50:44,170
archiving the foundation for 30 years

1161
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:46,990
from his own personal print but then

1162
00:50:52,349 --> 00:50:49,690
finally CBS did release in the DVD box

1163
00:50:54,750 --> 00:50:52,359
set about 8 to 10 years ago and it's a

1164
00:50:58,349 --> 00:50:54,760
classic so I was privileged what I was

1165
00:51:01,460 --> 00:50:58,359
doing back in 86 290 as I was attending

1166
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:01,470
the major star trek shows in Syracuse

1167
00:51:06,420 --> 00:51:04,210
scranton/wilkes-barre and I would put on

1168
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:06,430
a 90-minute Rod Serling program i miss

1169
00:51:10,970 --> 00:51:08,890
history of Rod Serling and then I would

1170
00:51:15,150 --> 00:51:10,980
interview the guests that was there so

1171
00:51:17,220 --> 00:51:15,160
Nimoy in George Takei and back and study

1172
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:17,230
i was able to interview them and talk

1173
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:19,530
about their their Serling experiences

1174
00:51:23,910 --> 00:51:22,210
goodness gracious ok so I just got a

1175
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:23,920
little jealous I'm just gonna admit to

1176
00:51:30,870 --> 00:51:28,450
it um I mean you know you're living a

1177
00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:30,880
collector's dream I mean people collect

1178
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:32,530
things and they're just like oh I really

1179
00:51:38,790 --> 00:51:35,170
enjoy this this is so much fun but then

1180
00:51:41,970 --> 00:51:38,800
to be able to take over the collection

1181
00:51:44,730 --> 00:51:41,980
and be the presenter and and keeper

1182
00:51:47,579 --> 00:51:44,740
essentially you're the keeper of this

1183
00:51:49,710 --> 00:51:47,589
man's legacy I mean what an honor I mean

1184
00:51:52,500 --> 00:51:49,720
you must be tickled pink every single

1185
00:51:54,180 --> 00:51:52,510
day yeah I am because we launched our

1186
00:51:55,470 --> 00:51:54,190
website the rad sword and archive

1187
00:51:59,970 --> 00:51:55,480
website I thought

1188
00:52:02,130 --> 00:51:59,980
Rod Serling archive.org December of 2013

1189
00:52:03,900 --> 00:52:02,140
and we have over a thousand items of

1190
00:52:06,390 --> 00:52:03,910
their pictures but what makes our

1191
00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:06,400
website stand out is we have rare videos

1192
00:52:12,109 --> 00:52:10,090
of things that nobody else has we have

1193
00:52:14,370 --> 00:52:12,119
videos of Helen Foley his teacher

1194
00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:14,380
speaking with me at the Star Trek shows

1195
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:16,570
and the dedication of the marker and

1196
00:52:21,420 --> 00:52:19,210
things that no one else has and so we've

1197
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:21,430
had some friction with the soil in the

1198
00:52:27,060 --> 00:52:25,210
state so we were not allowed to sell

1199
00:52:29,130 --> 00:52:27,070
anything sewing everything we do Rob

1200
00:52:31,710 --> 00:52:29,140
sterling at the bunny Museum is free and

1201
00:52:33,510 --> 00:52:31,720
has been that's cool oh we gotta get to

1202
00:52:34,980 --> 00:52:33,520
our next break who welcome back

1203
00:52:38,220 --> 00:52:34,990
everybody you're listening to me heidi

1204
00:52:41,430 --> 00:52:38,230
hollis the Outlander where we're always

1205
00:52:44,730 --> 00:52:41,440
having a good time because my goodness

1206
00:52:47,730 --> 00:52:44,740
we are talking about Rod Serling yes yes

1207
00:52:51,710 --> 00:52:47,740
the Rod Serling with Michael pfeiffer

1208
00:52:54,300 --> 00:52:51,720
who is the curator of the Rod Serling

1209
00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:54,310
museum what is it is the archive it's a

1210
00:52:58,650 --> 00:52:56,890
museum well it's the Bundy Museum of

1211
00:53:01,650 --> 00:52:58,660
History and art but ours is called the

1212
00:53:03,750 --> 00:53:01,660
Rod Serling archive exhibit which is a

1213
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:03,760
permanent exhibit that we are rotating

1214
00:53:07,859 --> 00:53:06,130
at least fifty percent of the exhibit

1215
00:53:11,849 --> 00:53:07,869
every six months cool and now the

1216
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:11,859
website again is what our website is Rod

1217
00:53:18,300 --> 00:53:16,450
Serling archive.org mm-hmm and we also

1218
00:53:21,330 --> 00:53:18,310
just set up an email a month ago Rod

1219
00:53:23,220 --> 00:53:21,340
Serling archive @ gmail.com so that

1220
00:53:25,410 --> 00:53:23,230
people can call in with questions asked

1221
00:53:27,630 --> 00:53:25,420
to be put on a rod serling mailing list

1222
00:53:29,490 --> 00:53:27,640
so we can notify them of all offense and

1223
00:53:32,720 --> 00:53:29,500
for some reason people like to say rod

1224
00:53:35,340 --> 00:53:32,730
sterling it's without a tee everybody

1225
00:53:37,460 --> 00:53:35,350
that is so funny because I even have a

1226
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:37,470
movie poster of a movie rod wrote

1227
00:53:44,849 --> 00:53:40,690
universal studios that rod sterling no

1228
00:53:48,030 --> 00:53:44,859
Oh in it so even the studio that made

1229
00:53:51,210 --> 00:53:48,040
spelled it wrong oh my gosh that's just

1230
00:53:52,830 --> 00:53:51,220
like I cannot even imagine that's just

1231
00:53:56,490 --> 00:53:52,840
that's just so wrong as many levels so

1232
00:54:00,420 --> 00:53:56,500
anyways getting back to the conversation

1233
00:54:03,810 --> 00:54:00,430
my gosh Rod Serling was somebody who

1234
00:54:05,970 --> 00:54:03,820
really really kind of wore his heart on

1235
00:54:08,010 --> 00:54:05,980
his sleeve and you're telling me during

1236
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:08,020
the break that he was somebody who was

1237
00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:09,370
severely trauma

1238
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:10,690
ties by some of the things that he

1239
00:54:15,210 --> 00:54:12,970
experienced as a war veteran as well

1240
00:54:17,850 --> 00:54:15,220
that may have shaped his life up quite a

1241
00:54:20,850 --> 00:54:17,860
bit well it definitely shaped is his

1242
00:54:22,860 --> 00:54:20,860
life completely you know he was only 18

1243
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:22,870
he grieved being born on Christmas Day

1244
00:54:30,090 --> 00:54:28,330
of 24 he graduated January 13 243 and

1245
00:54:32,730 --> 00:54:30,100
enlisted today just walk in the morning

1246
00:54:34,620 --> 00:54:32,740
the next day and he and five of his

1247
00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:34,630
buddies from high school had been

1248
00:54:39,300 --> 00:54:37,570
watching paratrooper films in the movie

1249
00:54:42,060 --> 00:54:39,310
theaters in the newsreels and he decided

1250
00:54:43,950 --> 00:54:42,070
they are besides me paratroopers but his

1251
00:54:46,500 --> 00:54:43,960
goal of course was being Jewish to go to

1252
00:54:48,240 --> 00:54:46,510
Europe and fight against the Nazis right

1253
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:48,250
fortunately he ended up being shipped

1254
00:54:53,490 --> 00:54:51,850
out to the Philippines and Guam and so

1255
00:54:57,570 --> 00:54:53,500
but he was so severely traumatized

1256
00:54:59,490 --> 00:54:57,580
seeing in his his one division 25 11th

1257
00:55:02,400 --> 00:54:59,500
airborne division there was a smaller

1258
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:02,410
subdivision and there was 185 soldiers

1259
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:04,210
in that and out of the hundred

1260
00:55:10,950 --> 00:55:07,810
eighty-five 11 survived that's how

1261
00:55:12,720 --> 00:55:10,960
horrible that experience was and some of

1262
00:55:15,450 --> 00:55:12,730
the interviews we've read said rod was

1263
00:55:18,150 --> 00:55:15,460
placed in that because he was too cocky

1264
00:55:19,980 --> 00:55:18,160
he was not clean his rifle he would go

1265
00:55:22,710 --> 00:55:19,990
off wandering and they'd have to send

1266
00:55:24,690 --> 00:55:22,720
people out in danger to find him so they

1267
00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:24,700
put him in this special hardtack

1268
00:55:29,490 --> 00:55:27,610
division to you know go out into the

1269
00:55:33,660 --> 00:55:29,500
jungles and insight woman wins the

1270
00:55:36,570 --> 00:55:33,670
Japanese Wow oh my goodness who would

1271
00:55:39,870 --> 00:55:36,580
ever think that that's why he had it so

1272
00:55:42,780 --> 00:55:39,880
rough oh my gosh I I mean it's like when

1273
00:55:44,970 --> 00:55:42,790
it comes to war things I mean I I love

1274
00:55:48,870 --> 00:55:44,980
being naive about it because it's all so

1275
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:48,880
awful but okay so he experienced this

1276
00:55:55,590 --> 00:55:52,330
trauma he lost a lot of friends and he

1277
00:55:57,450 --> 00:55:55,600
comes home and what does he what does he

1278
00:56:01,860 --> 00:55:57,460
do I mean how does he get involved so

1279
00:56:04,020 --> 00:56:01,870
well into the writing world well he was

1280
00:56:07,140 --> 00:56:04,030
wounded twice with a lot of shrapnel to

1281
00:56:09,900 --> 00:56:07,150
the knees his one wrist in his eye one

1282
00:56:12,750 --> 00:56:09,910
of his eyes so he spent about a month in

1283
00:56:15,330 --> 00:56:12,760
Manila recuperating so he took up

1284
00:56:17,910 --> 00:56:15,340
writing his sumpter something to do and

1285
00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:17,920
then when he came out of course his

1286
00:56:22,599 --> 00:56:20,170
teacher Helen Foley in high school he

1287
00:56:24,819 --> 00:56:22,609
got him into public speaking which

1288
00:56:27,309 --> 00:56:24,829
so wonderful you know his boys yeah and

1289
00:56:29,710 --> 00:56:27,319
acting in plays and he was not a good

1290
00:56:31,120 --> 00:56:29,720
writer she said so I found that

1291
00:56:33,729 --> 00:56:31,130
interesting but because of the warrior

1292
00:56:36,910 --> 00:56:33,739
experiences that's what he took up so

1293
00:56:39,009 --> 00:56:36,920
when he was discharged in 46 he went

1294
00:56:41,319 --> 00:56:39,019
under the GI Bill Antioch College in

1295
00:56:43,599 --> 00:56:41,329
Ohio Yellow Springs where his older

1296
00:56:45,759 --> 00:56:43,609
brother Robert seven years older had

1297
00:56:48,839 --> 00:56:45,769
also gone and that's where he started

1298
00:56:51,670 --> 00:56:48,849
writing for radios just jingles and

1299
00:56:54,509 --> 00:56:51,680
commercials and he hated it he wanted to

1300
00:56:56,859 --> 00:56:54,519
write serious drama and so around

1301
00:56:59,140 --> 00:56:56,869
1949-50 he did start to write for

1302
00:57:02,950 --> 00:56:59,150
television and he sold his first two

1303
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:02,960
strips to television in 1950 and so it

1304
00:57:08,890 --> 00:57:05,410
just took off in there between 1950 and

1305
00:57:11,049 --> 00:57:08,900
1960 he wrote over 200 more scripts and

1306
00:57:13,329 --> 00:57:11,059
teleplays what it's like he became

1307
00:57:15,339 --> 00:57:13,339
obsessed with I I understand it's like

1308
00:57:18,069 --> 00:57:15,349
when you realize you can create

1309
00:57:20,559 --> 00:57:18,079
something from nothing it's it's

1310
00:57:23,019 --> 00:57:20,569
addictive I mean it convenient it is and

1311
00:57:24,789 --> 00:57:23,029
also the first 40 scripts he submitted

1312
00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:24,799
were all rejected he had 40 rejection

1313
00:57:30,609 --> 00:57:27,170
slips in a row where he finally got

1314
00:57:32,799 --> 00:57:30,619
something sold so it's how did he

1315
00:57:34,660 --> 00:57:32,809
support himself I mean you just there's

1316
00:57:36,849 --> 00:57:34,670
so many starving artists in the world

1317
00:57:38,470 --> 00:57:36,859
that's just like what but he was and he

1318
00:57:40,269 --> 00:57:38,480
was in college at the time under the GI

1319
00:57:43,749 --> 00:57:40,279
building that his wife Carol Kray were

1320
00:57:46,900 --> 00:57:43,759
there and they were married in 49 and so

1321
00:57:48,789 --> 00:57:46,910
he was working for the radio writing for

1322
00:57:50,410 --> 00:57:48,799
some radio they're a matter of fact one

1323
00:57:53,349 --> 00:57:50,420
of his first jobs when he went to

1324
00:57:54,970 --> 00:57:53,359
Antioch in 46 they shift into new york

1325
00:57:58,930 --> 00:57:54,980
city for three months as an apprentice

1326
00:58:01,720 --> 00:57:58,940
at WNYC where he was writing for radio

1327
00:58:03,970 --> 00:58:01,730
in New York City and something that I

1328
00:58:07,509 --> 00:58:03,980
didn't realize till a year ago he was

1329
00:58:09,970 --> 00:58:07,519
acting in radio plays and we were lucky

1330
00:58:11,349 --> 00:58:09,980
enough to get four of these and what

1331
00:58:13,479 --> 00:58:11,359
they were as they were juvenile

1332
00:58:17,259 --> 00:58:13,489
delinquents one he played a critical of

1333
00:58:19,359 --> 00:58:17,269
bicycle another one he stole a radio and

1334
00:58:21,339 --> 00:58:19,369
so you would have him playing himself as

1335
00:58:24,009 --> 00:58:21,349
that young character you got keep in

1336
00:58:26,410 --> 00:58:24,019
mind he was only 22 would you displaying

1337
00:58:28,559 --> 00:58:26,420
likes his 14 15 year-old and then the

1338
00:58:31,599 --> 00:58:28,569
next 20 minutes would be the judicial

1339
00:58:32,950 --> 00:58:31,609
judicial part of that show how they

1340
00:58:36,420 --> 00:58:32,960
sentenced the kid and what they did was

1341
00:58:38,220 --> 00:58:36,430
him to rehabilitate him so he also

1342
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:38,230
the first thing he wrote himself that

1343
00:58:42,150 --> 00:58:40,810
was aired at WNYC was a tribute from

1344
00:58:45,030 --> 00:58:42,160
memorial day and it was a beautiful

1345
00:58:47,850 --> 00:58:45,040
speech Wow don't have an audio of it but

1346
00:58:49,590 --> 00:58:47,860
we do have a transcript of it so he

1347
00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:49,600
started writing for radio and then that

1348
00:58:53,850 --> 00:58:51,970
branched into television around 1950 and

1349
00:58:55,500 --> 00:58:53,860
well he didn't give up either i mean

1350
00:58:57,870 --> 00:58:55,510
it's it's not like oh he threw out a

1351
00:59:00,840 --> 00:58:57,880
couple of scripts 40 rejections I mean

1352
00:59:03,180 --> 00:59:00,850
that man earned his way I mean he really

1353
00:59:05,190 --> 00:59:03,190
did he pushed his way to the top a lot

1354
00:59:08,100 --> 00:59:05,200
of those later after his first Emmy with

1355
00:59:10,950 --> 00:59:08,110
patterns in 1955 and the second one for

1356
00:59:12,870 --> 00:59:10,960
requiem for a heavyweight in 1956 a lot

1357
00:59:15,420 --> 00:59:12,880
of us earlier scripts for that recycle

1358
00:59:16,890 --> 00:59:15,430
and souls television programs gotcha

1359
00:59:18,690 --> 00:59:16,900
well and I got another question here

1360
00:59:21,060 --> 00:59:18,700
from the chat room Carol's asking

1361
00:59:23,340 --> 00:59:21,070
there's a particular war themed episode

1362
00:59:29,190 --> 00:59:23,350
that you feel is a reflection of any of

1363
00:59:32,190 --> 00:59:29,200
Rods experiences yes there are two half

1364
00:59:34,740 --> 00:59:32,200
highlights on the purple testament Rod

1365
00:59:36,870 --> 00:59:34,750
Serling immortalized five of his buddies

1366
00:59:39,410 --> 00:59:36,880
including the first one northern p levy

1367
00:59:42,150 --> 00:59:39,420
that was beheaded with the food drops

1368
00:59:44,670 --> 00:59:42,160
they were all he mortal eyes them all

1369
00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:44,680
with those names in that episode the

1370
00:59:50,370 --> 00:59:47,290
purple testament in that episode dealt

1371
00:59:53,130 --> 00:59:50,380
with deke or can be witched is a

1372
00:59:54,840 --> 00:59:53,140
sergeant in this soldier under him would

1373
00:59:56,430 --> 00:59:54,850
look at people in the face would glow

1374
00:59:59,910 --> 00:59:56,440
and he'd know they're going to die

1375
01:00:02,160 --> 00:59:59,920
within the next page oh yeah he mentions

1376
01:00:04,140 --> 01:00:02,170
all of these friends of his five of them

1377
01:00:05,940 --> 01:00:04,150
in one sentence blah blah they asked who

1378
01:00:09,300 --> 01:00:05,950
was killed and he goes you know Hibbert

1379
01:00:12,270 --> 01:00:09,310
Morton something Sloan and loving and he

1380
01:00:14,910 --> 01:00:12,280
did that another episode another episode

1381
01:00:18,120 --> 01:00:14,920
that was based on his experiences in the

1382
01:00:22,050 --> 01:00:18,130
Philippines was the Equality of Mercy

1383
01:00:25,890 --> 01:00:22,060
with Dean Stockwell and that that

1384
01:00:27,840 --> 01:00:25,900
episode also had Leonard Nimoy and right

1385
01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:27,850
now we're negotiating for one of the

1386
01:00:34,800 --> 01:00:31,690
helmets from that episode from the fly

1387
01:00:37,410 --> 01:00:34,810
zone set designer himself mm-hmm hope to

1388
01:00:40,140 --> 01:00:37,420
have that very soon and so those were

1389
01:00:42,360 --> 01:00:40,150
based you know the steps were amazing

1390
01:00:43,980 --> 01:00:42,370
for those rattles on the set we have

1391
01:00:45,390 --> 01:00:43,990
some pictures in the background holding

1392
01:00:47,190 --> 01:00:45,400
the rifles and the helmets and

1393
01:00:48,930 --> 01:00:47,200
everything that the experience he was

1394
01:00:50,640 --> 01:00:48,940
right there I'm set for those

1395
01:00:53,250 --> 01:00:50,650
to make sure they represented what he

1396
01:00:55,740 --> 01:00:53,260
wanted represented interesting now rod

1397
01:00:59,099 --> 01:00:55,750
my goodness you know he died quite young

1398
01:01:02,400 --> 01:00:59,109
and very tragically almost an episode of

1399
01:01:03,569 --> 01:01:02,410
The Twilight Zone himself I mean what do

1400
01:01:06,300 --> 01:01:03,579
you think of some of the strangeness

1401
01:01:08,069 --> 01:01:06,310
that surrounded his death well it was

1402
01:01:10,319 --> 01:01:08,079
interesting he had gone in he had had

1403
01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:10,329
the two massive heart attacks about

1404
01:01:14,339 --> 01:01:12,490
three weeks earlier and he was taken to

1405
01:01:17,430 --> 01:01:14,349
from tificate area to Strong Memorial

1406
01:01:19,349 --> 01:01:17,440
Hospital in Rochester on the way being a

1407
01:01:22,170 --> 01:01:19,359
five pack a day smoker he was able to

1408
01:01:23,640 --> 01:01:22,180
convince the emergency crew to stop and

1409
01:01:27,960 --> 01:01:23,650
give out and let him get out and smoke

1410
01:01:30,930 --> 01:01:27,970
five pack a day did he sleep I back and

1411
01:01:34,140 --> 01:01:30,940
he was also a coffee ahora and a heavy

1412
01:01:36,089 --> 01:01:34,150
drinker so he said he spent on Twilight

1413
01:01:38,160 --> 01:01:36,099
Zone those years seven days a week 16

1414
01:01:40,440 --> 01:01:38,170
hours a day for the five years in

1415
01:01:43,890 --> 01:01:40,450
Florida tongue oh that was his work

1416
01:01:46,200 --> 01:01:43,900
schedule so as he was wheeled bound on

1417
01:01:49,559 --> 01:01:46,210
the gurney in the open heart surgery for

1418
01:01:51,900 --> 01:01:49,569
bypass surgery I spoke to one of the

1419
01:01:53,700 --> 01:01:51,910
nurses back in 86 that wheeled him down

1420
01:01:56,520 --> 01:01:53,710
on the gurney into the or I called

1421
01:01:57,780 --> 01:01:56,530
possible founder who and talk to her and

1422
01:01:59,700 --> 01:01:57,790
she said they let him have a cigarette

1423
01:02:02,790 --> 01:01:59,710
five minutes before the wolven into the

1424
01:02:04,920 --> 01:02:02,800
you are and then 10 hours later Vereen

1425
01:02:07,559 --> 01:02:04,930
surgery he had a massive heart attack

1426
01:02:10,260 --> 01:02:07,569
which took his life but what happened

1427
01:02:12,510 --> 01:02:10,270
when he died it was to something I

1428
01:02:14,490 --> 01:02:12,520
believe in the afternoon to 15 was it on

1429
01:02:16,500 --> 01:02:14,500
the table operating table he died on the

1430
01:02:19,079 --> 01:02:16,510
operating table yesterday massive one

1431
01:02:21,059 --> 01:02:19,089
during surgery and we spoken with some

1432
01:02:23,160 --> 01:02:21,069
of the other staff if a hospital and

1433
01:02:26,069 --> 01:02:23,170
they said that a dark cloud came down

1434
01:02:30,750 --> 01:02:26,079
and enveloped the entire hospital for

1435
01:02:33,870 --> 01:02:30,760
hours well night Hans in rochester con

1436
01:02:35,550 --> 01:02:33,880
memorial and could it have happened any

1437
01:02:38,579 --> 01:02:35,560
other way I mean honestly we r sub

1438
01:02:41,130 --> 01:02:38,589
speaking of rod he went out in style

1439
01:02:43,079 --> 01:02:41,140
this week we want to fall at that and he

1440
01:02:44,640 --> 01:02:43,089
was too young 50 years old it was like

1441
01:02:47,819 --> 01:02:44,650
he was a smoke ring around the hospital

1442
01:02:51,359 --> 01:02:47,829
that's awesome yeah uh-huh and I thought

1443
01:02:53,130 --> 01:02:51,369
of it that way but you know it was

1444
01:02:55,109 --> 01:02:53,140
interesting to be able to call back then

1445
01:02:56,760 --> 01:02:55,119
because there's only 11 years after he

1446
01:02:59,220 --> 01:02:56,770
had passed since a lot of that stuff was

1447
01:03:02,279 --> 01:02:59,230
still there and they were willing to

1448
01:03:08,489 --> 01:03:05,219
that is absolutely amazing so don't do

1449
01:03:09,870 --> 01:03:08,499
you know of anything that had ever

1450
01:03:12,569 --> 01:03:09,880
happened in his life that may have

1451
01:03:15,390 --> 01:03:12,579
inspired some of the more paranormal

1452
01:03:18,479 --> 01:03:15,400
elements I mean all the alien topics all

1453
01:03:20,279 --> 01:03:18,489
of the spooky topics psychic topics did

1454
01:03:22,979 --> 01:03:20,289
he ever share that he had experienced

1455
01:03:24,509 --> 01:03:22,989
something odd not many of the interviews

1456
01:03:26,969 --> 01:03:24,519
that I've read and I've read hundreds of

1457
01:03:29,279 --> 01:03:26,979
them in different magazines there's also

1458
01:03:31,709 --> 01:03:29,289
some 90 minute interview some speech as

1459
01:03:34,140 --> 01:03:31,719
he did at UCLA that are part of the DVD

1460
01:03:37,409 --> 01:03:34,150
box set and he never really talked about

1461
01:03:38,909 --> 01:03:37,419
any experiences along those lines but as

1462
01:03:41,339 --> 01:03:38,919
I was sharing with you earlier I believe

1463
01:03:44,189 --> 01:03:41,349
that he said that you know he went that

1464
01:03:46,169 --> 01:03:44,199
route to be able to express like he did

1465
01:03:48,659 --> 01:03:46,179
in live television without censorship

1466
01:03:51,659 --> 01:03:48,669
where aliens could say something that

1467
01:03:53,339 --> 01:03:51,669
you know a congressman or any politician

1468
01:03:55,859 --> 01:03:53,349
or whatever could not say and get away

1469
01:03:57,289 --> 01:03:55,869
with it at the time so that's why he

1470
01:03:59,759 --> 01:03:57,299
went into the science fiction fantasy

1471
01:04:01,709 --> 01:03:59,769
does he feel that people got that

1472
01:04:03,959 --> 01:04:01,719
message you know that what he was really

1473
01:04:05,909 --> 01:04:03,969
talking about behind on it definitely

1474
01:04:08,009 --> 01:04:05,919
did because like you know you and I both

1475
01:04:10,469 --> 01:04:08,019
shared people watch these over and over

1476
01:04:13,319 --> 01:04:10,479
and over and I hear one Ryan and they

1477
01:04:15,899 --> 01:04:13,329
know the episode and yes I'm pretty sure

1478
01:04:18,749 --> 01:04:15,909
you know he died not having the

1479
01:04:20,939 --> 01:04:18,759
recognition as he really wanted he was

1480
01:04:22,919 --> 01:04:20,949
asked a question in 74 a year before he

1481
01:04:25,259 --> 01:04:22,929
passed what do you want to be remembered

1482
01:04:28,140 --> 01:04:25,269
as and he said it's 100 years from now

1483
01:04:31,499 --> 01:04:28,150
they say oh he was a writer that's good

1484
01:04:33,870 --> 01:04:31,509
enough for me he never did the plane in

1485
01:04:36,299 --> 01:04:33,880
the legacy came years after his death

1486
01:04:39,029 --> 01:04:36,309
because Night Gallery he had no control

1487
01:04:41,399 --> 01:04:39,039
over it they hired him strictly for his

1488
01:04:43,799 --> 01:04:41,409
name Rod Serling's night gallery we had

1489
01:04:46,199 --> 01:04:43,809
no control a matter fact kettler the

1490
01:04:48,149 --> 01:04:46,209
producer by the middle of the second

1491
01:04:50,219 --> 01:04:48,159
season would not even read anymore rod

1492
01:04:53,099 --> 01:04:50,229
scripts didn't want anything to do with

1493
01:04:55,559 --> 01:04:53,109
him so it was a sore point in Rob's life

1494
01:04:59,849 --> 01:04:55,569
so and it ended after three seasons Brad

1495
01:05:01,319 --> 01:04:59,859
was not devastated Wow but the other

1496
01:05:03,779 --> 01:05:01,329
thing he wanted to do is a major motion

1497
01:05:06,359 --> 01:05:03,789
picture writer and that never happened

1498
01:05:09,269 --> 01:05:06,369
he never really hit home run other than

1499
01:05:10,979 --> 01:05:09,279
with planet of the apes and we need to

1500
01:05:13,380 --> 01:05:10,989
talk briefly on that because most

1501
01:05:14,999 --> 01:05:13,390
listeners with the new one that came out

1502
01:05:15,390 --> 01:05:15,009
six months ago dawn of the planet of the

1503
01:05:18,120 --> 01:05:15,400
eight

1504
01:05:19,710 --> 01:05:18,130
all of this chain continuing are not

1505
01:05:23,299 --> 01:05:19,720
aware that rod serling wrote the

1506
01:05:26,309 --> 01:05:23,309
original script what happened was on the

1507
01:05:29,010 --> 01:05:26,319
box set for Planet of the Apes from 68

1508
01:05:32,400 --> 01:05:29,020
Roddy McDowall who played Cornelius to

1509
01:05:35,220 --> 01:05:32,410
lead ape does a 90-minute documentary on

1510
01:05:38,730 --> 01:05:35,230
the history of the movie in Rod Serling

1511
01:05:40,740 --> 01:05:38,740
wrote over two years 30 30 different

1512
01:05:44,160 --> 01:05:40,750
drafts of the script for Planet of the

1513
01:05:45,960 --> 01:05:44,170
Apes all of which were rejected mostly

1514
01:05:48,569 --> 01:05:45,970
because of the expense involved they

1515
01:05:54,150 --> 01:05:48,579
only had like a million to budget so did

1516
01:05:56,190 --> 01:05:54,160
you say 3333 30 yeah oh thank so it's

1517
01:05:58,890 --> 01:05:56,200
amazing so we were lucky and just got a

1518
01:06:00,480 --> 01:05:58,900
copy of his second draft and there's

1519
01:06:01,799 --> 01:06:00,490
been a lot of controversy over the

1520
01:06:03,359 --> 01:06:01,809
ending with the Statue of Liberty and

1521
01:06:06,059 --> 01:06:03,369
realizing i'm here on earth all along

1522
01:06:08,069 --> 01:06:06,069
and a lot of people said rod didn't

1523
01:06:09,599 --> 01:06:08,079
write that well of course he did and we

1524
01:06:12,450 --> 01:06:09,609
can prove it now with a second script

1525
01:06:14,910 --> 01:06:12,460
and the final script they hired him back

1526
01:06:16,200 --> 01:06:14,920
after a year to co-write it and that's

1527
01:06:18,329 --> 01:06:16,210
what we have for the movie he was

1528
01:06:21,180 --> 01:06:18,339
co-writer on the original movie as it

1529
01:06:22,950 --> 01:06:21,190
exists today and that is considered by

1530
01:06:25,140 --> 01:06:22,960
some of the big movie critics of new

1531
01:06:27,510 --> 01:06:25,150
york times and different papers it's the

1532
01:06:29,970 --> 01:06:27,520
most iconic best twist ending in the

1533
01:06:32,250 --> 01:06:29,980
history of motion pictures Michael you

1534
01:06:34,319 --> 01:06:32,260
know it it leaves a lot for the

1535
01:06:36,510 --> 01:06:34,329
imagination of what may come in the

1536
01:06:39,359 --> 01:06:36,520
future so are you saying that he came up

1537
01:06:41,130 --> 01:06:39,369
with the whole concept of it or did he

1538
01:06:43,380 --> 01:06:41,140
borrow it was he told what to write or

1539
01:06:45,839 --> 01:06:43,390
fred was a book ok I didn't know

1540
01:06:48,059 --> 01:06:45,849
franceour I think if they do will be 0

1541
01:06:49,200 --> 01:06:48,069
uld some point gotcha I was trying to

1542
01:06:51,779 --> 01:06:49,210
think I'm like I thought that one was

1543
01:06:53,309 --> 01:06:51,789
based on a on a book series ok he was

1544
01:06:54,630 --> 01:06:53,319
adapt a matter of fact the guy that

1545
01:06:56,549 --> 01:06:54,640
wrote the book did not even want to made

1546
01:06:58,710 --> 01:06:56,559
into a movie but they offered him enough

1547
01:07:00,720 --> 01:06:58,720
money did he see that with it but it was

1548
01:07:02,579 --> 01:07:00,730
just hard to bring to the screen a

1549
01:07:05,010 --> 01:07:02,589
matter of fact some of the characters in

1550
01:07:08,370 --> 01:07:05,020
planet of the apes are also names of his

1551
01:07:10,049 --> 01:07:08,380
war buddies that were killed I you know

1552
01:07:11,519 --> 01:07:10,059
he did that in while the first thing you

1553
01:07:13,829 --> 01:07:11,529
know if you remember Alfred Hitchcock

1554
01:07:16,200 --> 01:07:13,839
every movie who did he puts himself into

1555
01:07:18,299 --> 01:07:16,210
a ten seconds in short real yes you know

1556
01:07:20,910 --> 01:07:18,309
well this is what rod did not putting

1557
01:07:22,980 --> 01:07:20,920
himself in but putting all of his family

1558
01:07:26,279 --> 01:07:22,990
friends his wife carols in several by

1559
01:07:27,900 --> 01:07:26,289
name daughters and Jodi his doctor calf

1560
01:07:28,980 --> 01:07:27,910
Levine's best friend is in the night

1561
01:07:31,350 --> 01:07:28,990
gallery I

1562
01:07:34,440 --> 01:07:31,360
notice just yeah he immortalized a lot

1563
01:07:37,290 --> 01:07:34,450
of his friends in his writings so if he

1564
01:07:39,060 --> 01:07:37,300
had he had kids so where are they and

1565
01:07:41,640 --> 01:07:39,070
what are they up to are they involved in

1566
01:07:44,370 --> 01:07:41,650
any way with his work right now and

1567
01:07:46,890 --> 01:07:44,380
Serling the youngest daughter wrote a

1568
01:07:48,750 --> 01:07:46,900
tremendous book he's a writer two years

1569
01:07:50,790 --> 01:07:48,760
ago she waits she would have to be I

1570
01:07:53,100 --> 01:07:50,800
mean that's in her blood she's a great

1571
01:07:55,380 --> 01:07:53,110
writer and the book is called my dad as

1572
01:07:56,670 --> 01:07:55,390
I knew him Rod Serling so she's been

1573
01:07:58,830 --> 01:07:56,680
doing a major book to her for two years

1574
01:08:01,050 --> 01:07:58,840
and I've read it twice I've listened to

1575
01:08:03,420 --> 01:08:01,060
the audiobook twice and I love it

1576
01:08:05,700 --> 01:08:03,430
although I have documents to you know

1577
01:08:08,430 --> 01:08:05,710
disprove some of the things in there but

1578
01:08:10,440 --> 01:08:08,440
it's a great book it really is so he's

1579
01:08:12,920 --> 01:08:10,450
very active a matter of fact he's

1580
01:08:17,610 --> 01:08:12,930
scheduled to come to the bunny Museum

1581
01:08:19,200 --> 01:08:17,620
September 19 to this year for some radio

1582
01:08:21,150 --> 01:08:19,210
broadcasters Hall of Fame which is part

1583
01:08:23,519 --> 01:08:21,160
of the museum and of course rides in

1584
01:08:25,590 --> 01:08:23,529
that and when she was invited by some

1585
01:08:27,300 --> 01:08:25,600
third party she's as well I'll come but

1586
01:08:30,690 --> 01:08:27,310
I've had differences with those people

1587
01:08:32,190 --> 01:08:30,700
so it's not a great relationship but

1588
01:08:34,320 --> 01:08:32,200
what we're doing is we've approached the

1589
01:08:35,970 --> 01:08:34,330
lawyers for the estate sale in the state

1590
01:08:38,700 --> 01:08:35,980
and we're going to you know by licensing

1591
01:08:40,800 --> 01:08:38,710
so that we can if we want to make some

1592
01:08:42,450 --> 01:08:40,810
products or do a book or whatever then

1593
01:08:44,579 --> 01:08:42,460
will legally be able to do that because

1594
01:08:46,440 --> 01:08:44,589
we don't want any friction always trying

1595
01:08:49,200 --> 01:08:46,450
to do is keep Rod Serling's legacy alive

1596
01:08:51,390 --> 01:08:49,210
and I'll tell you you're a big part in

1597
01:08:53,340 --> 01:08:51,400
helping you know some of these radio

1598
01:08:55,800 --> 01:08:53,350
shows that have been clawing for me is

1599
01:08:58,260 --> 01:08:55,810
keeping his legacy alive in a big way

1600
01:09:00,780 --> 01:08:58,270
because you have such massive listening

1601
01:09:03,450 --> 01:09:00,790
basis so you know it's a wonderful thing

1602
01:09:05,550 --> 01:09:03,460
that because of the archive exhibit and

1603
01:09:07,680 --> 01:09:05,560
the newspaper articles nationwide and

1604
01:09:10,380 --> 01:09:07,690
worldwide we're now really getting a lot

1605
01:09:12,450 --> 01:09:10,390
of Fame and people realize that we're

1606
01:09:14,700 --> 01:09:12,460
doing wonderful things I said we've got

1607
01:09:18,809 --> 01:09:14,710
nothing more but to keep his legacy

1608
01:09:21,240 --> 01:09:18,819
alive right all right i mean honestly I

1609
01:09:24,150 --> 01:09:21,250
mean I I don't know many people who did

1610
01:09:26,760 --> 01:09:24,160
not enjoy his work I mean he and

1611
01:09:29,220 --> 01:09:26,770
recognize him and know that voice and

1612
01:09:31,289 --> 01:09:29,230
know his little his little stance and

1613
01:09:33,360 --> 01:09:31,299
the the way that he presented his topics

1614
01:09:35,490 --> 01:09:33,370
I mean it I mean they've got a ride

1615
01:09:38,450 --> 01:09:35,500
that's called The Twilight Zone down

1616
01:09:41,690 --> 01:09:38,460
it's on Florida I mean

1617
01:09:43,490 --> 01:09:41,700
yes I mean it is and it's him appearing

1618
01:09:45,349 --> 01:09:43,500
and it's like oh that's right and then

1619
01:09:47,030 --> 01:09:45,359
they drop you and you scream into it

1620
01:09:49,309 --> 01:09:47,040
because of the wheelchair but my sister

1621
01:09:50,930 --> 01:09:49,319
did write it yeah you know I've seen

1622
01:09:52,910 --> 01:09:50,940
video some of these videotaped it and

1623
01:09:55,400 --> 01:09:52,920
has it on YouTube where you see the

1624
01:09:57,050 --> 01:09:55,410
hologram with rod talking yes voice

1625
01:09:59,410 --> 01:09:57,060
characters and things up and it's like

1626
01:10:03,170 --> 01:09:59,420
it's right there is a wonderful ride and

1627
01:10:05,180 --> 01:10:03,180
you know so right now in the works is a

1628
01:10:06,890 --> 01:10:05,190
new twilight zone movie with Leonardo

1629
01:10:09,320 --> 01:10:06,900
DiCaprio it's been many hits in three

1630
01:10:10,910 --> 01:10:09,330
years and unlike the first movie which

1631
01:10:13,400 --> 01:10:10,920
was four episodes this will be one

1632
01:10:15,979 --> 01:10:13,410
episode time travel bass going back in

1633
01:10:18,770 --> 01:10:15,989
80 years and tying that's been in the

1634
01:10:21,680 --> 01:10:18,780
works for a few years now you can read a

1635
01:10:23,780 --> 01:10:21,690
google search on that and I'm not sure

1636
01:10:25,310 --> 01:10:23,790
when the last update was also something

1637
01:10:27,979 --> 01:10:25,320
he wrote the last thing is this

1638
01:10:30,140 --> 01:10:27,989
typewriter stops along the way is being

1639
01:10:33,050 --> 01:10:30,150
produced as a five-part miniseries by JJ

1640
01:10:34,970 --> 01:10:33,060
Abrams nice that's supposed to be in the

1641
01:10:36,890 --> 01:10:34,980
work right now then we're told Carol

1642
01:10:39,830 --> 01:10:36,900
Florence doing a biopic movie of Rod

1643
01:10:41,840 --> 01:10:39,840
Serling so there's so much in the works

1644
01:10:43,880 --> 01:10:41,850
and a matter of fact I went to internet

1645
01:10:45,500 --> 01:10:43,890
movie database for Rod Serling last week

1646
01:10:48,459 --> 01:10:45,510
and there's something up there that

1647
01:10:53,060 --> 01:10:48,469
puzzles me it says 2015 the hitch-hiker

1648
01:10:54,950 --> 01:10:53,070
new series by Rod Serling well one of

1649
01:10:57,110 --> 01:10:54,960
the famous episodes was the hitchhiker

1650
01:10:59,540 --> 01:10:57,120
so I don't know if they base the whole

1651
01:11:02,120 --> 01:10:59,550
series on that one episode so he's

1652
01:11:04,640 --> 01:11:02,130
listed as the writer and here's 2015

1653
01:11:07,850 --> 01:11:04,650
he's still working on the other guy he's

1654
01:11:09,860 --> 01:11:07,860
not getting any residual no no but you

1655
01:11:13,990 --> 01:11:09,870
know it's like I don't see why somebody

1656
01:11:16,850 --> 01:11:14,000
couldn't like totally make him like a

1657
01:11:19,640 --> 01:11:16,860
superhero character and the adventures

1658
01:11:20,930 --> 01:11:19,650
of Rod Serling and had he you know maybe

1659
01:11:22,670 --> 01:11:20,940
he came from another planet you know

1660
01:11:25,490 --> 01:11:22,680
like write it into the script and and

1661
01:11:28,070 --> 01:11:25,500
like make him be this really G because

1662
01:11:31,190 --> 01:11:28,080
he is genius I'm sorry he is genius and

1663
01:11:33,410 --> 01:11:31,200
it's like to see where he truly was born

1664
01:11:35,450 --> 01:11:33,420
and kind of explore that and take him

1665
01:11:37,220 --> 01:11:35,460
into the future beyond his 50 years when

1666
01:11:40,760 --> 01:11:37,230
he passed and you know let's see where

1667
01:11:43,130 --> 01:11:40,770
he takes us because I think he's just so

1668
01:11:46,010 --> 01:11:43,140
he's got so many levels that weren't

1669
01:11:48,380 --> 01:11:46,020
explored and I really wished that you

1670
01:11:50,420 --> 01:11:48,390
know more was was shown about him in his

1671
01:11:52,100 --> 01:11:50,430
life because I think a lot of people

1672
01:11:55,370 --> 01:11:52,110
share the same sentiment that I

1673
01:11:58,010 --> 01:11:55,380
do that he is he really has captured my

1674
01:12:00,979 --> 01:11:58,020
imagination growing up he got me excited

1675
01:12:03,740 --> 01:12:00,989
about the whole 30 minutes and

1676
01:12:07,250 --> 01:12:03,750
everything that he could pack into those

1677
01:12:09,770 --> 01:12:07,260
30 minutes and I mean it's it's like I

1678
01:12:11,510 --> 01:12:09,780
mean he did magic the man was magical

1679
01:12:13,370 --> 01:12:11,520
and I mean there's just so much more

1680
01:12:15,500 --> 01:12:13,380
that I really I would want to know more

1681
01:12:18,050 --> 01:12:15,510
about him because he was just that cool

1682
01:12:20,180 --> 01:12:18,060
he was just that interesting so if there

1683
01:12:21,560 --> 01:12:20,190
was one thing that you wanted to put out

1684
01:12:23,959 --> 01:12:21,570
there we only have a few minutes left

1685
01:12:25,189 --> 01:12:23,969
that you want people to know or that you

1686
01:12:26,510 --> 01:12:25,199
didn't think that you know you don't

1687
01:12:29,510 --> 01:12:26,520
think a lot of people know about I mean

1688
01:12:31,640 --> 01:12:29,520
what would you how could you share well

1689
01:12:33,890 --> 01:12:31,650
powerful his teacher had a quote that

1690
01:12:36,169 --> 01:12:33,900
she would use and she did a news clip or

1691
01:12:39,290 --> 01:12:36,179
anything and she was very emphatic a

1692
01:12:42,169 --> 01:12:39,300
great speaker and she said rod serling's

1693
01:12:44,720 --> 01:12:42,179
boys will never be stilled not ever

1694
01:12:47,359 --> 01:12:44,730
never and she would point right in your

1695
01:12:49,160 --> 01:12:47,369
face that's what we're and we agree with

1696
01:12:52,040 --> 01:12:49,170
it that's what we're trying to do is

1697
01:12:53,930 --> 01:12:52,050
keep his voice alive through his writing

1698
01:12:57,080 --> 01:12:53,940
and like you just mentioned a minute ago

1699
01:12:59,810 --> 01:12:57,090
people know who Ron saw a naked picture

1700
01:13:02,720 --> 01:12:59,820
and know him yes aim name another famous

1701
01:13:05,000 --> 01:13:02,730
writer from the 50s and 60s and 70s you

1702
01:13:07,040 --> 01:13:05,010
know what they look like now can you now

1703
01:13:08,990 --> 01:13:07,050
festive his intros and exits on twilight

1704
01:13:10,939 --> 01:13:09,000
zone in the first year you know he did

1705
01:13:13,729 --> 01:13:10,949
not do that he did the narratives only

1706
01:13:15,500 --> 01:13:13,739
it wasn't to the second year he decided

1707
01:13:17,660 --> 01:13:15,510
he was starting to take over and be on

1708
01:13:20,180 --> 01:13:17,670
screen presence for both the front

1709
01:13:23,000 --> 01:13:20,190
middle and end of those oh gosh you know

1710
01:13:25,760 --> 01:13:23,010
it was genius him even doing that and

1711
01:13:27,950 --> 01:13:25,770
letting us know who he was and allowing

1712
01:13:29,600 --> 01:13:27,960
us to associate his work with his face

1713
01:13:31,580 --> 01:13:29,610
his voice and everything that he did

1714
01:13:33,290 --> 01:13:31,590
because he took us there it was like oh

1715
01:13:34,340 --> 01:13:33,300
here comes Ron prods gonna take me by

1716
01:13:36,649 --> 01:13:34,350
the hand and we're going to explore

1717
01:13:38,479 --> 01:13:36,659
another world now oh thank you rod that

1718
01:13:40,669 --> 01:13:38,489
was soaked oh my gosh my brain is blown

1719
01:13:42,470 --> 01:13:40,679
my brain is blown even though I can't

1720
01:13:45,140 --> 01:13:42,480
you know I would never associate it with

1721
01:13:47,120 --> 01:13:45,150
you know some of the political stuff and

1722
01:13:48,890 --> 01:13:47,130
and the message that he was directly

1723
01:13:51,470 --> 01:13:48,900
trying to get across but he always got

1724
01:13:53,479 --> 01:13:51,480
you to think and so there was a message

1725
01:13:55,939 --> 01:13:53,489
that got across no matter what you know

1726
01:13:58,100 --> 01:13:55,949
it got you to think beyond what we think

1727
01:13:59,390 --> 01:13:58,110
reality is so you are in the twilight

1728
01:14:00,530 --> 01:13:59,400
zone America has always been the

1729
01:14:03,320 --> 01:14:00,540
twilight zone I don't know if people

1730
01:14:05,359 --> 01:14:03,330
knew that but um and it's a saying oh

1731
01:14:07,219 --> 01:14:05,369
gosh that girls in the twilight zone

1732
01:14:09,199 --> 01:14:07,229
oh here comes a toilet zone episode you

1733
01:14:12,020 --> 01:14:09,209
know oh my life is the twilight zone you

1734
01:14:14,330 --> 01:14:12,030
know we associate is the twilight zone

1735
01:14:16,009 --> 01:14:14,340
in his work and his voice and everything

1736
01:14:17,750 --> 01:14:16,019
with so many things still and I don't

1737
01:14:20,689 --> 01:14:17,760
think it's going to end I really don't

1738
01:14:22,159 --> 01:14:20,699
know I don't see it ending either yeah I

1739
01:14:23,899 --> 01:14:22,169
talked to some people today they on

1740
01:14:25,189 --> 01:14:23,909
college students and they're not too

1741
01:14:27,109 --> 01:14:25,199
familiar with the old black and whites

1742
01:14:28,819 --> 01:14:27,119
but they watch the new the nineteen

1743
01:14:31,219 --> 01:14:28,829
eighty five to nine series in the ninety

1744
01:14:34,729 --> 01:14:31,229
two series and about 10 of those were

1745
01:14:37,639 --> 01:14:34,739
redone dria doings of Rob's original

1746
01:14:39,619 --> 01:14:37,649
scripts it's a good life and the after

1747
01:14:42,379 --> 01:14:39,629
hours and a lot of those they redid in

1748
01:14:43,939 --> 01:14:42,389
these later series so I started watching

1749
01:14:45,919 --> 01:14:43,949
a few of the color ones and some are

1750
01:14:47,209 --> 01:14:45,929
quite interesting that if they weren't

1751
01:14:49,250 --> 01:14:47,219
the ones that they actually wrote in the

1752
01:14:50,929 --> 01:14:49,260
beginning you can you can see the

1753
01:14:53,419 --> 01:14:50,939
difference even if we look at the

1754
01:14:55,250 --> 01:14:53,429
original series in you see one you know

1755
01:14:59,149 --> 01:14:55,260
free minutes in rod did not write this

1756
01:15:01,069 --> 01:14:59,159
one as good as good as they are yeah he

1757
01:15:02,750 --> 01:15:01,079
did not write to you which was his

1758
01:15:06,020 --> 01:15:02,760
favorite what was his very favorite

1759
01:15:10,040 --> 01:15:06,030
episode that he episode the hero for

1760
01:15:12,310 --> 01:15:10,050
twilight zone it was the Nazis Dachau

1761
01:15:15,560 --> 01:15:12,320
prison camp episode death's-head

1762
01:15:17,719 --> 01:15:15,570
revisited and he was so adamant when he

1763
01:15:19,790 --> 01:15:17,729
was asked his favorite episode he said

1764
01:15:21,649 --> 01:15:19,800
not only is it my favorite episode of

1765
01:15:25,909 --> 01:15:21,659
Twilight Zone but he says it's the best

1766
01:15:29,719 --> 01:15:25,919
work I ever wrote deathbed revisited def

1767
01:15:32,239 --> 01:15:29,729
head 1800 deaths head ok and it's where

1768
01:15:34,339 --> 01:15:32,249
you go back to Dachau and the demanders

1769
01:15:36,560 --> 01:15:34,349
torturing everybody is confronted by

1770
01:15:39,169 --> 01:15:36,570
Joseph Silk Route who was one that he

1771
01:15:42,199 --> 01:15:39,179
had murdered and his ghost is there and

1772
01:15:43,790 --> 01:15:42,209
they drive him crazy in torches him doc

1773
01:15:45,799 --> 01:15:43,800
how just like you did everybody and

1774
01:15:48,049 --> 01:15:45,809
project he feels that's the best thing

1775
01:15:49,399 --> 01:15:48,059
he ever wrote awesome I've got to

1776
01:15:50,959 --> 01:15:49,409
definitely see that one again well you

1777
01:15:52,939 --> 01:15:50,969
know what we've already come to the

1778
01:15:55,399 --> 01:15:52,949
bottom our show and the website again is

1779
01:15:58,909 --> 01:15:55,409
Rod Serling dot o RG is that correct

1780
01:16:01,549 --> 01:15:58,919
yeah oh well thank you Michael peifer I

1781
01:16:03,529 --> 01:16:01,559
mean my goodness you've really really

1782
01:16:06,109 --> 01:16:03,539
just wowed me this has been a really

1783
01:16:07,399 --> 01:16:06,119
really great show show talking to you a

1784
01:16:10,129 --> 01:16:07,409
great hour I mean this has been

1785
01:16:12,319 --> 01:16:10,139
fantastic thank you so much well thank

1786
01:16:14,359 --> 01:16:12,329
you so much for having us and and again

1787
01:16:16,410 --> 01:16:14,369
if they want to email me Rod Serling

1788
01:16:18,750 --> 01:16:16,420
archive at gmail com will play

1789
01:16:20,850 --> 01:16:18,760
a mailing list updates and everything

1790
01:16:22,919 --> 01:16:20,860
we're doing Rod Serling related to the

1791
01:16:24,510 --> 01:16:22,929
archive and go to the many events that

1792
01:16:26,580 --> 01:16:24,520
you guys are hosting they're constantly

1793
01:16:28,500 --> 01:16:26,590
throughout the year all for free you

1794
01:16:30,330 --> 01:16:28,510
guys even listed to me honey how's the